Will Brexit happen?

Takedap

Conina wrote: »

But you never object when we bring in far cheaper short-term staff from Eastern Europe and barely treat them as humans, or are you just going to carry on ignoring how most of them live when they come to our country?

No. Like almost everybody else you will insist on your British fruit & veg.

Whataboutism at it's best.

About as much use as "Everybody lies so that's OK.

BobQ

Conina wrote: »

But you never object when we bring in far cheaper short-term staff from Eastern Europe and barely treat them as humans, or are you just going to carry on ignoring how most of them live when they come to our country?

No. Like almost everybody else you will insist on your British fruit & veg.

You imply that the UK is endorsing modern slavery! If Romanians want to come here and live in low standards of accommodation while sending wages back to their families it is their choice. What is your solution? Maybe we insist that all employees should live one per bedroom?

BobQ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Eire isn't a tax dodger?, nor Luxembourg, nor Germany, nor Jersey, nor Sweden, nor Denmark, nor the Netherlands, nor Austria.

Hardly surprising that the EU cannot agree on fiscal policies.

Did he say it was?

Brexit is about wealthy people speculating on changes in the exchange rate. While that is nothing new, speculating on our economy and simultaneously funding political movements (or even participating in them) in order to maximize their speculative ways is hardly ethical and certainly not done in the best interests of the country.

These are not the views of some left wing anarchists. They come from former Tory Chancellor Philip Hammond

Mr Hammond alleged in a newspaper article on Saturday that “there is only one outcome that works for them: a crash-out, no-deal Brexit that sends the currency tumbling and inflation soaring”

He also quoted comments by the PM's sister who reportedly stated that "“people who have invested billions in shorting the pound or shorting the country in the expectation of a no-deal Brexit”.

https://www.ft.com/content/acdb3740-e390-11e9-b112-9624ec9edc59

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/28/boris-johnson-backers-benefit-from-no-deal-brexit-inquiry

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/boris-johnsons-sister-warns-pms-reprehensible-behaviour-may-be-due-to-bets-on-pound-plummeting-in-no-deal-crash-for-uk/27/09/

lisyloo

Conina wrote: »

But you never object when we bring in far cheaper short-term staff from Eastern Europe and barely treat them as humans, or are you just going to carry on ignoring how most of them live when they come to our country?

No. Like almost everybody else you will insist on your British fruit & veg.

I don’t think anyone is saying it’s ok to treat people badly.
The recent deaths of 39 and other events will focus minds and effort on the subject.
The effort spent on brexit and leaving the various EU organisations will make everything more difficult.

I think there are benefits to keeping some agriculture in our country, for example stewardship of the countryside, reducing food miles, health benefits to local products e.g. local honey corresponding to local pollen.

phillw

Conina wrote: »

But you never object when we bring in far cheaper short-term staff from Eastern Europe and barely treat them as humans, or are you just going to carry on ignoring how most of them live when they come to our country?

No. Like almost everybody else you will insist on your British fruit & veg.

I'm sure there are instances where workers are kept in illegal conditions, but the majority are in demand not because they are cheap but because they are hard working and efficient. If they came here and were treated badly they would just go elsewhere.

All leaving the EU will do is make our economy worse, so that it gives them another reason to go elsewhere.

Malthusian

phillw wrote: »

I'm sure there are instances where workers are kept in illegal conditions, but the majority are in demand not because they are cheap but because they are hard working and efficient.

They have to be hard-working because unlike British natives, if they don't work, they don't eat. By "efficient" do you mean "paid less than minimum wage" (with no NI)?

If they came here and were treated badly they would just go elsewhere.

That's lovely. Does the same apply to the 39 who just froze to death trying to get to the horrible UK?

Not how it works. Indentured workers imported into the UK can't simply get a train ticket back if they change their mind. Their passport may have been confiscated (if they ever had a valid one), it's unlikely their gangmasters will ever allow them enough money to go home. People traffickers don't offer return tickets. When they go home after dropping off their cargo, they don't take the fed up Lithuanians back the other way.

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

Brexit is about wealthy people speculating on changes in the exchange rate.

Wealthy people are more astute than to simply gamble on red or black. A mugs game.

BobQ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Wealthy people are more astute than to simply gamble on red or black. A mugs game.

Isn't that why we use hedge funds?

Even with other people's money>

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Wealthy people are more astute than to simply gamble on red or black. A mugs game.

Exactly, it's a lot better to bet on something when you're sponsoring the people who can manipulate the result. Insider trading is hugely profitable which is why it's illegal.

Malthusian

BobQ wrote: »

Isn't that why we use hedge funds?

Hedge funds are a status symbol, a way to relieve rich people of excess wealth if they don't like people enough for philanthropy. Most of them lose money. And they went out of fashion a decade ago.

"Leave only won the referendum because it was rigged by currency speculators" exists in the same box of desperation as "Leave actually lost the referendum because only 37% of the electorate voted for it and 37 is more than 34".