Will Brexit happen?

Advice4sue

Always good to have friendly chat, AndyCF. Actually as I’ve said before I live in a strong Leave area and am definitely in minority. But in my office (mixed views) we all have a good laugh about it as well! We agree to disagree and laugh at the craziness of it all.
Hopefully it’s like mostly like that elsewhere!!

Conina

Advice4sue wrote: »

Are we still discussing Brexit? .........Some posts seem rather surreal

What do you expect when there is so much deliberate dishonesty but you're right; all this nonsense talk of millions of jobs lost and emergency budgets, even war just for voting leave did turn out to be the surreal rubbish that we thought it was.

phillw

Conina wrote: »

What do you expect when there is so much deliberate dishonesty

Yes, the leave campaign told outright lies.

If you're referring to the so called "project fear" then that wasn't deliberate dishonesty, those were predictions based on what would happen if an honest government were in control. That hasn't happened since the referendum.

Theresa May made empty promises to industry and so they didn't make the tough choices, that they are now making.

If Boris can delivery BRINO then we will be fine. If he doesn't, then expect the project fear taunts to come back and haunt you

Green_Bear

Nigel Farage is more switched on than many realise.

I've watched his phone in shows on LBC.
Most of the time it's the usual tedious complaining about sovereignty and democracy from the mainly Little Englanders who phone in.

But sometimes he lets slip a bit more. Last time he briefly mentioned QE and asset price inflation. A few weeks ago he also spoke about how long this recent bull market had been going on for.

Green_Bear

lisyloo wrote: »

I’m not sure of the relevance of all this but the indentured labour that followed slavery was in a lot of cases not an improvement.

The relevance is the labour demand / supply issue - that caused many to vote for Brexit.

Green_Bear

phillw wrote: »

In a no deal situation half the farms will be going bankrupt, which will arguably solve some of the issue of finding farm workers.

This is because zero inward tariffs will cause them to be noncompetitive in our internal market, while they can't export to any other country without being hit by tariffs.

The UK also loses it's organic food export license.



It's going to the supreme court next week, which may reverse the decision but at what cost to the union?



Even three weeks is pretty long, it's normally for about three days. It's supposed to be for cleaning for when the queen arrives. It's not intended to provide the executive with breathing space where parliament cannot hold them to account.

The government are using it for election purposes as there won't be any PMQs for a month where parliament can tear their announcements to shreds. So expect a lot of promises that are aimed at getting Boris back into power, which will never be enacted.

The farms could end up being nationalised.
Stranger things have happened.

phillw

Green_Bear wrote: »

The farms could end up being nationalised.
Stranger things have happened.

I think that is unlikely. Someone rich will buy them up cheap as a long term investment as no doubt some money in the right hands and you'll eventually be allowed to build on the land.

Advice4sue

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Are we still discussing Brexit? .........Some posts seem rather surreal
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‘What do you expect when there is so much deliberate dishonesty but you're right; all this nonsense talk of millions of jobs lost and emergency budgets, even war just for voting leave did turn out to be the surreal rubbish that we thought it was.’ - originally posted by Conina

Oh dear..... Apologies for my initial post , I seem to have made the mistake of trying to add some lightness here and a genuine question as to the relevance of some posts.... but you have taken it as agreeing with you ��.

The fact is Nobody knows what will definitely happen after Brexit whereas whether or not you liked the EU, we knew where we were. Don’t say remainers fears are rubbish, because as of yet you have no proof either way

Thrugelmir

AndyCF wrote: »

I think last few governments seem to have pushed more towards a 'service' econonmy too which may explain why towns are full of cafe's and the like but not that many normal shops. Realise it is not quite that simple with cheap imports and things, whole big "can of worms" really.

No push. Manufacturing has been in decline for decades. Employment wise technology requires a fraction of the people to operate production lines etc. Europe as a whole is predominantly service industry based.

phillw

Advice4sue wrote: »

The fact is Nobody knows what will definitely happen after Brexit whereas whether or not you liked the EU, we knew where we were. Don’t say remainers fears are rubbish, because as of yet you have no proof either way

This is mainly because how we "leave the EU" is most imporant.

If it's BRINO then nothing changes, if it's no deal then everything changes. The thing about change is we've spent a long time carefully compromising so that we get the best outcome on balance. If you throw that away, then you have to go through that learning and change process again and during it you will undoubtedly be worse off. If you still stick to the same "foreigners are bad and compromise is surrender" mentality during the process, it will never reach the same benefits as we had during the EU

What is dishonest is arguing that no deal will give a similar outcome to BRINO.

All we can hope for is that Boris becomes more adept at lying than he has recently proved to be, I am worried about him as he is usually very good at it (evidence of that is plentiful).