Will Brexit happen?

waamo

AndyCF - sorry I can’t quote on my iPhone. (If anyone can tell me how that would be great!).l.

2 methods.

1. There should be a big button at the bottom of each post that says "Quote". Press that and the whole post is quoted in a new reply box.

2. Highlight then copy the part you want to quote. In the reply box there are some symbols at the top. The end one that looks like a square with lines in it is the quote button. Press that then paste your quote into the tabs that appear.

phillw

waamo wrote: »

1. There should be a big button at the bottom of each post that says "Quote". Press that and the whole post is quoted in a new reply box.

FWIW quoting never works on my android phone.

I didn't expect this.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/11/scottish-judges-rule-boris-johnsons-prorogation-unlawful

Advice4sue

‘https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/11/scottish-judges-rule-boris-johnsons-prorogation-unlawful’
originally posted by Phillw

Interesting! Actually I wondered if PM regretted prorogation in light of last 7 days as it seems to have backfired in terms of a GE. He might have been able to make up with the rebels and co and come to some sort of agreement (unlikely but not impossible) and just about push GE through . Just a thought.....

lisyloo

Cakeguts wrote: »

I have given up thinking about Brexit. The EU has said that there won't be an extension so we will leave on 31st October. If there is no deal we can blame all the politicians who voted against what the EU offered. Many of them were not representing their voters and only thinking about what they want and as the UK government is based in London that will be what London wants which is one of the reasons why so many people voted Leave in the first place. I vote we move the UK government to Manchester near the BBC.

There are serious flaws in your thinking that you ought to seek improvement for.
One EU country (France) has said they won’t extend in the current circumstances. The chances are they will be talked around because a no deal would be very harmful to Europe. We’ve seen this before.
It’s not a guarantee but you don’t know because of one thing you’ve read in a paper and taken out of context.
I don’t know either but I do understand what was said and the context and what’s happened before.


I live near parliament square and I’d be very happen for you to move the daily protests, disruption and incessant helicopter noise somewhere else.
Unfortunately a massive amount of government infrastructure and talent is in Westminster so that’s not an easy thing to do and this isn’t the right time to cause that level of massive disruption.

AndyCF

Thanks to the above posters for providing answers re: my farming / picking fruits/veg queries, appreciated. As I say it was a 100% honest and genuine question I just was not really sure how to of phrased it so it read like that.

I think regardless of the "outcome" for Brexit, once a few months have passed by the 'farm workers' issue will be settled one way or another in that they will be able to get workers. I think only those who are actually terribly unscrupulous or paying them £3/hour ( ! ) will likely have any real issues with this.

I do feel a -lot- of sympathy for the farming community in general though given the supermarket squeezes on prices, having heard the story 'from both sides' so to speak.

A lot of decent honest hardworking people have had to give up their life's work due to external (market forces) greed

phillw wrote: »

FWIW quoting never works on my android phone

I don't think (given the software in use here) that a fully functional mobile interface is expected, by default (unsure what is done here no cellphone to try myself) this 'version' does not by default offer anything other than default or a 'lo' version.

phillw wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/11/scottish-judges-rule-boris-johnsons-prorogation-unlawful

In regard to the judgement, well that's certainly opened another can-o-worms! No doubt an appeal will follow, with an appeal to an appeal ?

My own personal view on it is the actual Prorogation is 100% legal and permitted however the length of it is slightly off (again just imo) in that it should perhaps be limited to no more than two or at most three weeks.

*unless* Parliament vote to approve it for longer, anything less than 3 weeks is the govt's decision generally, if they want more they need MP's approval. This is not Brexit related just a general 'common sense' thing I think.

lisyloo

Green_Bear wrote: »

Exactly.
So not all the slaves were instantly unemployed then, were they?
Because they either carried on picking cotton for a wage, or took a job previously performed by a white person.
Or did a new job that didn't previously exist (eg looking after fellow ex-slaves wages for them).

I’m not sure of the relevance of all this but the indentured labour that followed slavery was in a lot of cases not an improvement.

phillw

AndyCF wrote: »

I think regardless of the "outcome" for Brexit, once a few months have passed by the 'farm workers' issue will be settled one way or another in that they will be able to get workers.

In a no deal situation half the farms will be going bankrupt, which will arguably solve some of the issue of finding farm workers.

This is because zero inward tariffs will cause them to be noncompetitive in our internal market, while they can't export to any other country without being hit by tariffs.

The UK also loses it's organic food export license.

AndyCF wrote: »

In regard to the judgement, well that's certainly opened another can-o-worms! No doubt an appeal will follow, with an appeal to an appeal ?

It's going to the supreme court next week, which may reverse the decision but at what cost to the union?

AndyCF wrote: »

My own personal view on it is the actual Prorogation is 100% legal and permitted however the length of it is slightly off (again just imo) in that it should perhaps be limited to no more than two or at most three weeks.

Even three weeks is pretty long, it's normally for about three days. It's supposed to be for cleaning for when the queen arrives. It's not intended to provide the executive with breathing space where parliament cannot hold them to account.

The government are using it for election purposes as there won't be any PMQs for a month where parliament can tear their announcements to shreds. So expect a lot of promises that are aimed at getting Boris back into power, which will never be enacted.

AndyCF

phillw wrote: »

In a no deal situation half the farms will be going bankrupt, which will arguably solve some of the issue of finding farm workers.

I hope not

We do not grow enough here as it is anyway.

I think half the battle is growing things and being able to sell them (here to our own market, export if needed) at a sensible price that is both good for consumers and ensures a sensible fair return for the grower.

^ That turns me to think towards milk where the middle man takes all the cream (no pun intended) and the farmer's get a measly pittance and the consumer pays more in the shop than they might of done if they had been able to get direct from the farm. I realise it is not quite that simple though.

I think last few governments seem to have pushed more towards a 'service' econonmy too which may explain why towns are full of cafe's and the like but not that many normal shops. Realise it is not quite that simple with cheap imports and things, whole big "can of worms" really.

AndyCF

phillw wrote: »

Even three weeks is pretty long, it's normally for about three days. It's supposed to be for cleaning for when the queen arrives. It's not intended to provide the executive with breathing space where parliament cannot hold them to account.

Thanks. I did not realise that. I'd assumed as well as 'royal prep' there would be endless paperworks to sort out and staff etc for the next 'session' as such.

I half think my idea is valid though in that a government should not be able to simply 'shut it up' for any time period of their choosing! Hence me suggesting two-three weeks. Perhaps on reflection something to compromise like ten days would be sufficient, unless a majority of MP's approved a longer period.


EDIT... All my comments are intended to be friendly I don't post anything that I'd consider 'taking the pp out of anyone' or such. Just that sometimes they can be read/misread as that. < extra smile indicate friendly nature of this edit/reply.

phillw

AndyCF wrote: »

^ That turns me to think towards milk where the middle man takes all the cream (no pun intended) and the farmer's get a measly pittance and the consumer pays more in the shop than they might of done if they had been able to get direct from the farm.

I'm not sure there is much cream, the largest milk producer in the UK is Muller and they are having to close down processing facilities to be sustainable too. With the price pressure in the UK and the loss of exports then it's only going to get harder.

AndyCF wrote: »

I think last few governments seem to have pushed more towards a 'service' econonmy too which may explain why towns are full of cafe's and the like but not that many normal shops. Realise it is not quite that simple with cheap imports and things, whole big "can of worms" really.

It's not the government that has done that, it's consumers buying things on the internet. The only point of high streets long term will be as experiences. So cafes, clothes, hair dressing and make up will still be around as long as people can afford the luxury. Charity and betting shops both have an online presence but either their customers enjoy the experience or they are older and haven't migrated to living online yet.