Two Speeding Tickets at exactly the same time

jimbo6977

Have you / your wife considered one of those French "quadricycle" cars (Aixam, Microcar) that can only do 30mph?

RonnyRaygun

jimbo6977 wrote: »

Have you / your wife considered one of those French "quadricycle" cars (Aixam, Microcar) that can only do 30mph?

Actually that sounds like a great idea!

Anyway, it turns out that the first speed (42mph) was recorded by a mobile unit, and the 36mph recorded 400m down the road by a fixed camera.
I've been on the Pepipoo site and the consensus is that this is one continuous offence and should be treated as such. There is also an argument that she wasn't given the opportunity to modify her behaviour between the first and second reading. It is highly unlikely that she slowed to below 30mph and then went back up to 36 in the 400m between the first and second reading (this would allow it to be seen as two offences). It could probably be shown quite easily that it would be impossible for this to be the case, although this would involve me having to do some maths!

Question is, how do we approach the NIPs? I'll obviously let the police know my wife was driving, but then she will receive two FPNs. Does she accept one but not the other? Or neither?

RonnyRaygun

silverwhistle wrote: »

How about electric bikes? Could you get an electric bike and with the time saved accompany them on their 2 miles to school? Does she pay for her own insurance or does it come out of the household budget?

All our money goes into the same pot - just the way it is, it's a family budget

silverwhistle wrote: »

I think you've appreciated the situation cannot continue as it is.


Does anyone else ever drive with her and have you ever asked (discreetly) their opinion? Is it like my old mum with her old friends where she no longer risks it and has regaled us with similar horror stories about what happened before the adult children confiscated the keys and sold the car? Perhaps an advanced driving course or even some refresher lessons?

The kids and her mum definitely prefer to be in the car when I'm driving. On the few occasions that I've been a passenger in a car with her I just get the impression that she's a really nervous driver, which probably affects her decision making, which makes her indecisive. I don't think she reads the road particularly well or anticipates the actions of other road users. She isn't generally a fast driver but, like many people, she sometimes slows down to 30 shortly after the sign, especially where the 30 sign is some distance prior to the built-up area. At the location in question the limit is 50mph prior to the 30 sign, and she had begun to slow down (and yes, I have had the conversation that you are supposed to be doing 30mph at the point you reach the sign).

CardinalWolsey

You might _try_ to have it considered as a single offence, but there is a strong likelihood that your wife hadn't even spotted the mobile unit - otherwise she would have probably mentioned it when you were puzzling over the two NIPs.

You could request that the two be heard as a single case, and your wife attend court - but that could turn out a lot more expensive than taking a fixed penalty (although may save the licence).

In reality, start planning on your wife not driving for some time, and your cost of insurance increasing dramatically. It may not be on this occasion, but by the sound of your wife's driving history, it won't be too long before the next incident.

Comms69

Mazda_MX5 wrote: »

I can see where you coming from it seems to be the way of life at the life at this moment in Britain this hectic way of living even in work we are programmed to do every thing at speed, like I said I'm no saint my self.
Few yrs ago I worked in Germany for a couple of weeks which involved travelling, I was told to keep to the speed limits as police over there carried guns and don't take too kindly to speeding, 20 mph is the urban limits, you do not want to be at the other end of a conversation with someone holding a gun.
on another note you are obliged to tell your insurance of any speeding fines, most have this in their policy, not sure if its law but they can then turn down your insurance due to non disclosure.

What a stupid thing to say. You really think the police are going to shoot you for speeding....

RonnyRaygun

Comms69 wrote: »

What a stupid thing to say. You really think the police are going to shoot you for speeding....

Well, if it was the USA...

RonnyRaygun

Update:

I phoned Thames Valley Police a few minutes ago and it turns out the timings were eleven seconds apart.
They have agreed to cancel the second ticket which means my wife gets to spend a few more months on the road.

Just watch out if you're ever near the Herts / Bucks border!

Bonniepurple

I am going to be blunt here. You wife is a dangerous driver. Yes, we all speed. Yes, we all have scrapes and the odd accident. From your description, your wife has poor observation skills, drives inappropriately for the conditions and speeds. Your son (8) does not like being driven by her. That speaks volumes.

I would suggest 3 things. One, an eye test. Can she see to drive? Not the legal minimum, but would glasses help? Two, lessons. I suffer from examiner syndrome and got very nervous on test. A set of lessons would help her confidence. Finally, I find an automatic much, much easier to drive than a manual. Maybe a smaller engined automatic would help?

If she’s tried all that, then I honestly feel she shouldn’t be on the road.

ElefantEd

That's probably a fair result. However, if she doesn't learn from this and from her previous experiences - including a speed awareness course, which can't have sunk in too deeply! - she will find that this has only postponed the inevitable.

photome

RonnyRaygun wrote: »

Well, if it was the USA...

I am still here after getting caught speeding in the USA