Can you make someone else lose weight?

Anoneemoose

getmore4less wrote: »

I don't disagree on knock your point of view, what I am saying is understood why and how it works you would benefit both mentally and physically by taking more control.

I am not sure of your point.

I am more in control of my eating than I have ever been?

And why and how what works? Please explain.

FBaby

I think we are mainly debating because we have different attitude to the word 'diet'. When I think of 'diet', I think of approaches to healthy eating, whereas I think you Anoneemoose, see it as radical and highly restrictive imposed methods of reducing food intake.

I agree that most extreme fast acting methods are unlikely to be successful long term, at least not on their own, but a diet that means adapting the way you ingest food both to lose weight and then to sustain it can only be a good thing, and that I would also refer to as a 'diet'.

If you think of it, medical experts in weight management are called 'diet'-icians.

getmore4less

Anoneemoose wrote: »

I am not sure of your point.

I am more in control of my eating than I have ever been?

And why and how what works? Please explain.

Do you understand why what you do now gives you back control?

Anoneemoose

FBaby wrote: »

I think we are mainly debating because we have different attitude to the word 'diet'. When I think of 'diet', I think of approaches to healthy eating, whereas I think you Anoneemoose, see it as radical and highly restrictive imposed methods of reducing food intake.

I agree that most extreme fast acting methods are unlikely to be successful long term, at least not on their own, but a diet that means adapting the way you ingest food both to lose weight and then to sustain it can only be a good thing, and that I would also refer to as a 'diet'.

If you think of it, medical experts in weight management are called 'diet'-icians.

I would disagree. I know that diet means what a person eats.

For the purposes of this debate, which has been about weight loss, diet means restriction of some sort. How you manage that restriction is obviously working for you. I have maintained throughout this thread that a healthy, well balanced diet is good for people.

You don't need to be on a diet to practise healthy eating behaviours. Just as much as you don't need to be on a fad diet to 'react' to restrictions.

Anoneemoose

getmore4less wrote: »

Do you understand why what you do now gives you back control?

Yes, because I am not restricting anything. Because I understand no foods are bad or good. Or a syn or high in points. Because I don't have to think about food apart from for what I fancy/have in/can access. Because I am not listening to some made up rules about what I 'should' and 'shouldn't' eat.

And when I say I am in control, I don't mean I am controlled eating. Just in case anyone (not you) wants to pick up on that.

FBaby

I have maintained throughout this thread that a healthy, well balanced diet is good for people.

Well yes, but if you are overweight to start with, at some point you'll have to do something to lose it to be healthy, and that will have to involve some sort of restriction, otherwise you continue to eat as you have and you continue to be overweight or putting on more.

What you are advocating is what slim people should do so that they don't put on weight in the first place.

Anoneemoose

FBaby wrote: »

Well yes, but if you are overweight to start with, at some point you'll have to do something to lose it to be healthy, and that will have to involve some sort of restriction, otherwise you continue to eat as you have and you continue to be overweight or putting on more.

What you are advocating is what slim people should do so that they don't put on weight in the first place.

Nope.

It's not the weight loss in and of itself that improves health. It's the behaviours that have the biggest effect, as explained in that TED talk. Regardless of weight lost. In addition, there is no permanent solution for weight loss (as evidenced by research). The research that shows diets don't work also show that most people who are overweight and try to diet have higher levels of cortisol during and after dieting than those who don't diet. It is in fact, healthier to have never dieted at all for the majority.

jayII

Anoneemoose wrote: »

Yes, because I am not restricting anything. Because I understand no foods are bad or good. Or a syn or high in points. Because I don't have to think about food apart from for what I fancy/have in/can access. Because I am not listening to some made up rules about what I 'should' and 'shouldn't' eat.

And when I say I am in control, I don't mean I am controlled eating. Just in case anyone (not you) wants to pick up on that.

That comment is interesting and I wonder if seeing food as good/bad, versus seeing it simply as food, is one of the reasons 'diets' work for some people and not others and if that mental shift is the reason that mindful eating works best for you? I don't see any food as 'good or bad', but I am aware that some foods are 'better' for my body than others. For example, pastries and other processed carbs can make me feel sluggish and tired. Whereas eating berries and some veg and grains help me to feel lively and energetic. I've massively oversimplified things, but the general idea is that I'm aware that certain foods make me feel better than others do, so I restrict the ones that don't agree with me, because I enjoy feeling well.

Ultimately food is purely nourishment that helps us to be well so that we can enjoy life. We should all know our own bodies and if advised by anyone else that x or y is good/bad for us, we should either ignore the advice or research the foods ourselves and make an informed decision, before changing anything in the way we eat.

Anoneemoose

jayII wrote: »

That comment is interesting and I wonder if seeing food as good/bad, versus seeing it simply as food, is one of the reasons 'diets' work for some people and not others? I don't see any food as 'good or bad', but I am aware that some foods are 'better' for my body than others. For example, pastries and other processed carbs can make me feel sluggish and tired. Whereas eating berries and some veg and grains help me to feel lively and energetic. I've massively oversimplified things, but the general idea is that I'm aware that certain foods make me feel better than others do, so I restrict the ones that don't agree with me, because I enjoy feeling well.

Ultimately food is purely nourishment that helps us to be well so that we can enjoy life. We should all know our own bodies and if advised by anyone else that x or y is good/bad for us, we should either ignore the advice or research the foods ourselves and make an informed decision, before changing anything in the way we eat.

I agree with this. And what you have said is true for me. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, one of my favourite breakfasts is a good dollop of whole Greek yogurt, with berries (because I find them generally gentler on my tum), a sprinkling of nuts and a tsp of honey. If I was following SW for example, that breakfast would have been numerous 'syns'. Even though it is mainly unprocessed. The SW version would have been a processed, full of ingredients, full of sugar and sweetener, no fat mullerlight. Without the nuts and honey. SW also has a curly wurly at less syns than an avocado.

Prior to my dieting, I used to eat exactly as you describe, without me thinking moral judgements about any food. I too knew it was not beneficial to me to eat less nutritious things all the time. The confusion came when I started following someone else's rules. Which has now 'reversed', if you like.

jayII

Anoneemoose wrote: »

I agree with this. And what you have said is true for me. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, one of my favourite breakfasts is a good dollop of whole Greek yogurt, with berries (because I find them generally gentler on my tum), a sprinkling of nuts and a tsp of honey. If I was following SW for example, that breakfast would have been numerous 'syns'. Even though it is mainly unprocessed. The SW version would have been a processed, full of ingredients, full of sugar and sweetener, no fat mullerlight. Without the nuts and honey. SW also has a curly wurly at less syns than an avocado.

Prior to my dieting, I used to eat exactly as you describe, without me thinking moral judgements about any food. I too knew it was not beneficial to me to eat less nutritious things all the time. The confusion came when I started following someone else's rules. Which has now 'reversed', if you like.

It's a shame that SW promote mullerlights and other heavily processed foods, because they are unlikely to be healthy for anyone and it's easy to follow the SW principles and enjoy healthy and wholesome food without resorting to artificial sweetener and so on.

I'm glad you found an approach that works for you.