Can you make someone else lose weight?

Pollycat

Anoneemoose wrote: »

My aim isn't to convince you.

I 'argued' with your comments to back up what I had initially said.

I know because that 'pesky science' shows that dieting and restriction lead to this sort of behaviour pattern in the manjoriy. Not just SW. That post just happened to be about SW. I find it 'interesting' that no matter what information I provide, you will find some way of deflecting it from being the fault of the diet companies and then disguise that as 'who knows'? Regardless of the fact that didn't happen for you, it is still clear it happens to other people.

I'm not deflecting anything because I really 'don't know' if it is the fault of anybody other than the people who have dieted and their obsession (clearly demonstrated by the Facebook posts you provided) with food.

maman

Anoneemoose wrote: »

How have I been irrational? Because I have a different point of view? Um, ok. Sort of proves my point about SW members being defensive and only seeing things with SW blinkers on.

And as I keep pointing out, my problems only began after dieting. And are now very much resolved.

I'm pleased to hear you think you're problems are resolved but your constant need to convince everyone that SW is some sort of dangerous bogey man seems quite unhealthy to me.


When I put some weight on for the first ( and only) time in my life I realised that I needed a structure to help me get rid of it. Of course, I could have done it without but the commitment to a 'project' helped me. At that time I believed that anyone could lose weight with a bit of will power.


Having now met many people over the years who are overweight I realise that there's a lot more to it than that. There are masses of people who know they're overweight and want to do something about it but the offer of a night out or a bar of chocolate or a take away menu weakens their resolve and they're back to square one. Those are the lightweights who play at weightloss. The sadder tales are from the people I've met who have an unhealthy relationship with food often grounded in emotional issues.

meer53

OP, i know you've not been back but if you do, show your husband this. It might motivate him ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4818844/Grandad-lost-13st-Slimming-World-s-Man-Year.html

Anoneemoose

maman wrote: »

I'm pleased to hear you think you're problems are resolved but your constant need to convince everyone that SW is some sort of dangerous bogey man seems quite unhealthy to me.


When I put some weight on for the first ( and only) time in my life I realised that I needed a structure to help me get rid of it. Of course, I could have done it without but the commitment to a 'project' helped me. At that time I believed that anyone could lose weight with a bit of will power.


Having now met many people over the years who are overweight I realise that there's a lot more to it than that. There are masses of people who know they're overweight and want to do something about it but the offer of a night out or a bar of chocolate or a take away menu weakens their resolve and they're back to square one. Those are the lightweights who play at weightloss. The sadder tales are from the people I've met who have an unhealthy relationship with food often grounded in emotional issues.

Not just SW. ALL diets.

I shall ignore your attempt to patronise me. And conversely, yours and the others' need to convince me otherwise or argue with me could be said to be unhealthy for you too.

I love the way you SW blinkered folk think that because I am debating (just like you lot are), there is something wrong with me. What you seem to be overlooking is the fact you are all doing exactly the same.

I am the only person on this post who has brought more than anecdote to it.

Tabbytabitha

Anoneemoose wrote: »

YNAB all the way for me!!:D

SuperPikachu wrote: »

One thing I found bizarre about Slimming world is that it has its own ready meals. They lose all credibility by doing that surely?

But I know girls at work who are doing it and going to the meetings and they have lost weight. Also people who have done "weight watchers" and they have lost weight. They all yo-yo though.

My thing in the end was just to cut out as much processed food as I could cope with; chocolate, fizzy drinks, crisps, biscuits, cereals, readymeals, no sugar & milk in coffees/teas. I've gone 16.6 to 15.8 in 3 or 4 weeks so far with no added exercise so just shows how much weight the !!!!! was putting on.

What diet do you call that?

Cutting out milk in tea and coffee sounds pretty extreme to me - not really on a par with the other things you list.

maman

Anoneemoose wrote: »

Not just SW. ALL diets.

I shall ignore your attempt to patronise me.

I am the only person on this post who has brought more than anecdote to it.

But you didn't did you?


You just perpetuated it by reminding me that you have a problem with ALL diets.


Which is why, as I said in my original post, it seems unfair to bait you.

Anoneemoose

maman wrote: »

But you didn't did you?


You just perpetuated it by reminding me that you have a problem with ALL diets.


Which is why, as I said in my original post, it seems unfair to bait you.

I did ignore your attempt to patronise me. As in I didn't let it 'affect' me on a personal level. I merely pointed out my take on what you're attempting to do by that.

Oh and if baiting is your aim then that says more about you than it does about me. Please don't worry about me. I can hold my own. As I think I have proven quite well throughout this thread. Even in light of how outnumbered I am here.

I enjoy a good debate. Not just about food and weight loss. But obviously that is what we're discussing here. And it's of particular interest to me.

meer53

Tabbytabitha wrote: »

Cutting out milk in tea and coffee sounds pretty extreme to me - not really on a par with the other things you list.

Not if you're partial to a Starbucks Grande Toffee Nut Latte ! A mere 330 calories.

I don't have milk in any hot drinks, i don't like it. So not extreme really.

Anoneemoose

I do find it amazing and amusing that the SWers among you are somehow making out there's something wrong with me and my mental health because I am consistently proving my point. Even though you lot obviously don't agree with it.

Oh, yes, she has a point, so let's tell her she's mad or obsessive or unhealthy. :rotfl:

And I am posting as much as I am because I am arguing with more than one of you. If I was to ignore some of you and your posts, that would no doubt 'hold that against me too'.

getmore4less

Anoneemoose wrote: »

I am, yes. And I would disagree that's the bottom line. Just trying to knock my point of view another way.

I became more and more overweight through dieting. My weight gradually increased over the last 2 decades as my set point rose. Something which happens a lot with dieters, which the TED talk I linked to explains. As I mentioned, I developed bulimia.

You're obviously insinuating physically 'health' is most important.

So, if I attempt to manipulate my weight again then my mental health will suffer. I cannot exercise due to illness, so I move when possible. I also practise other 'healthful' behaviours, like eating a mainly unprocessed, whole food diet (mostly organic). I practise relaxation techniques too in times of stress (a big risk factor in a lot of the diseases obesity is associated with). If I was able, I would exercise like I used to love. I walked everywhere, swam 5/6 times a week. That of course would bring about benefits in itself, as i said in my first post in here, I believe.

I don't drink any alcohol and I don't smoke so there really isn't any more that I could do at this time to be the 'healthiest' me.

I don't disagree on knock your point of view, what I am saying is understood why and how it works you would benefit both mentally and physically by taking more control.