Land Registry questions

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Button83 said:

I completed at the end of January, should the land registery have been updated by now? 

No. There’s no ‘should’ timescale re post completion/registration as a gap always exists between completion and registration. 

Whilst some register updates are processed quickly others are not for a variety of reasons. 

So a gap can be wide and often that doesn’t impact on you. But if it does such as you have a linked/dependent transaction, such as onward sale or remortgage, then it can be expedited and the gap narrowed 

silvercar

Button83 said:

I completed at the end of January, should the land registery have been updated by now? 

In the good old days, it would have done. Now I would expect you have a few more months to wait. 

Locoblade

Hi

I'm helping a relative fill in an FR1 form to complete first registration of a small piece of land purchased in the early 1980's to extend the garden of their house that seemingly never got registered with Land Registry at the time. 

The third question asks that you identify the piece of land via a map. We have an original title document with a plan but although laminated with official stamp and to scale, it looks like it was derived from an architect's drawing of the area rather than an official OS map and to me it's not as clear as it could be. The guidance does say to only use the title map if it's clear but what is and isn't clear is obviously rather subjective, so what happens if we submit and the plan isn't sufficient?

Another option is to submit an ad-hoc plan that "must be prepared to a suitable scale, preferably based on the Ordnance Survey map.". Would this option need to be professionally done by a conveyancer with accurate measurements etc or would it be sufficient to take a printout of the online OS website map and mark the area in question, perhaps submitting it in conjunction with the title document plan as well?

As a slight aside, looking at the online OS map, the piece of land in question is actually shown as part of my relatives garden anyway which suggests the change of ownership perhaps was officially documented at some point, I don't know if that changes anything?

Thanks

Iwanttobefree

Hi, Aunt moved into her new property last Thursday, bought outright.  (I did all the coordinating with the solicitor and helped her fill in all the forms etc).

She doesn't bank with Natwest.

I have her house on the land registry alert, I've just recieved an email from them stating,

The activity details are:-

Application lodged by NATIONAL WESTMINSTER BANK PLC

On: 27.Mar.2023 At: 20:50:40

Customer reference: goi mg xxxxxxx

HM Land Registry reference: xxxxxxx

The alert I recieved just before she moved in (below) listed a reason where as the above alert didn't

Unfortuntely I'm going into hospital at midday Tuesday (tomorrow) and she wont understand how to sort this out at all.  I will try to get through first thing, but should I be worried?

The activity details are:-

Search lodged by Infotrack Limited

On: 16.Mar.2023 At: 11:18:07

Customer reference: xxxxxxxxx

HM Land Registry reference: xxxxxxxx

To protect a pending: Purchase

which was expected

Thanks

user1977

Iwanttobefree said:

Hi, Aunt moved into her new property last Thursday, bought outright.  (I did all the coordinating with the solicitor and helped her fill in all the forms etc).

She doesn't bank with Natwest.

The activity details are:-

Application lodged by NATIONAL WESTMINSTER BANK PLC

On: 27.Mar.2023 At: 20:50:40

Customer reference: goi mg xxxxxxx

HM Land Registry reference: xxxxxxx

Did her vendor? I would expect this is the NatWest registering the discharge of the charge they had over the property. Which is a Good Thing, not something which needs to be "sorted".

Iwanttobefree

user1977 said:

Iwanttobefree said:

Hi, Aunt moved into her new property last Thursday, bought outright.  (I did all the coordinating with the solicitor and helped her fill in all the forms etc).

She doesn't bank with Natwest.

The activity details are:-

Application lodged by NATIONAL WESTMINSTER BANK PLC

On: 27.Mar.2023 At: 20:50:40

Customer reference: goi mg xxxxxxx

HM Land Registry reference: xxxxxxx

Did her vendor? I would expect this is the NatWest registering the discharge of the charge they had over the property. Which is a Good Thing, not something which needs to be "sorted".

Many thanks.

I just phoned the Land Regisdouble check and they said as you said, they said it can take a few days after we get the keys for all this to happen.

Land_Registry

Locoblade said:

Hi

I'm helping a relative fill in an FR1 form to complete first registration of a small piece of land purchased in the early 1980's to extend the garden of their house that seemingly never got registered with Land Registry at the time. 

The third question asks that you identify the piece of land via a map. We have an original title document with a plan but although laminated with official stamp and to scale, it looks like it was derived from an architect's drawing of the area rather than an official OS map and to me it's not as clear as it could be. The guidance does say to only use the title map if it's clear but what is and isn't clear is obviously rather subjective, so what happens if we submit and the plan isn't sufficient?

Another option is to submit an ad-hoc plan that "must be prepared to a suitable scale, preferably based on the Ordnance Survey map.". Would this option need to be professionally done by a conveyancer with accurate measurements etc or would it be sufficient to take a printout of the online OS website map and mark the area in question, perhaps submitting it in conjunction with the title document plan as well?

As a slight aside, looking at the online OS map, the piece of land in question is actually shown as part of my relatives garden anyway which suggests the change of ownership perhaps was officially documented at some point, I don't know if that changes anything?

Thanks

A suitable plan is essential so a current OS map or adjoining title plan with the land then marked clearly on it 
OS maps show the physical features in place when the area was surveyed and mapped by OS. The change of ownership had and will have no bearing on what OS map 

Land_Registry

Iwanttobefree said:

Hi, Aunt moved into her new property last Thursday, bought outright.  (I did all the coordinating with the solicitor and helped her fill in all the forms etc).

She doesn't bank with Natwest.

I have her house on the land registry alert, I've just recieved an email from them stating,

The activity details are:-

Application lodged by NATIONAL WESTMINSTER BANK PLC

On: 27.Mar.2023 At: 20:50:40

Customer reference: goi mg xxxxxxx

HM Land Registry reference: xxxxxxx

The alert I recieved just before she moved in (below) listed a reason where as the above alert didn't

Unfortuntely I'm going into hospital at midday Tuesday (tomorrow) and she wont understand how to sort this out at all.  I will try to get through first thing, but should I be worried?

The activity details are:-

Search lodged by Infotrack Limited

On: 16.Mar.2023 At: 11:18:07

Customer reference: xxxxxxxxx

HM Land Registry reference: xxxxxxxx

To protect a pending: Purchase

which was expected

Thanks

As you are already aware the alert is with regards the seller’s lender removing their legal charge 

Harrysmom

Hi, can you still use an ID3 from instead of using a conveyancer?

Locoblade

Land_Registry said:

Locoblade said:

Hi

I'm helping a relative fill in an FR1 form to complete first registration of a small piece of land purchased in the early 1980's to extend the garden of their house that seemingly never got registered with Land Registry at the time. 

The third question asks that you identify the piece of land via a map. We have an original title document with a plan but although laminated with official stamp and to scale, it looks like it was derived from an architect's drawing of the area rather than an official OS map and to me it's not as clear as it could be. The guidance does say to only use the title map if it's clear but what is and isn't clear is obviously rather subjective, so what happens if we submit and the plan isn't sufficient?

Another option is to submit an ad-hoc plan that "must be prepared to a suitable scale, preferably based on the Ordnance Survey map.". Would this option need to be professionally done by a conveyancer with accurate measurements etc or would it be sufficient to take a printout of the online OS website map and mark the area in question, perhaps submitting it in conjunction with the title document plan as well?

As a slight aside, looking at the online OS map, the piece of land in question is actually shown as part of my relatives garden anyway which suggests the change of ownership perhaps was officially documented at some point, I don't know if that changes anything?

Thanks

A suitable plan is essential so a current OS map or adjoining title plan with the land then marked clearly on it 
OS maps show the physical features in place when the area was surveyed and mapped by OS. The change of ownership had and will have no bearing on what OS map 

Thank you, so a new plan will be required by the sounds of it. I'm still not clear though if we can do this ourselves using online OS map resources, does it need us to purchase an OS map of a larger scale, or do we need a conveyancer to draw all this up officially?