Land Registry questions

woodpeckerx

g7lla said:

woodpeckerx said:

g7lla said:

@Land_Registry, could you please advise how long it's taking to process a first registration please with and without the case being expedited? Just going through the legals after having an offer accepted and found out the house isn't registered. Our mortgage offer expires end of September - if the case is expeditated are we likely to have the FR sorted by then?

Thanks!

If the seller has the deeds it doesn't need to be registered.

I recently had a similar situation but seller had lost the deeds and then found them half way though the registration. LR dealt with it very promptly, was all registered in under 3 weeks, the only delays were caused by the solicitor not answering the requisitions quickly.

Thanks, i'll ask if they have them. The house is currently going through probate. The previous owner was an elderly gentleman who's passed away and his daughter is selling the property which makes it difficult. All we know is that the house was never registered and found this out after our bid was successful. 

Still going through an almost identical situation, probate being sold by children, house wasn't registered but was only an issue as deeds were lost. Had to get sellers to first register due to lost deeds but then deeds were found during the process.

If they have the original deeds the sellers solicitor will probably refuse to first register as you should get good title when your register on completion. If the deeds are lost it gets more complicated and seller should first register as you don't want to end up with a second grade title.

coolasfolke

Land_Registry said:

g7lla said:

@Land_Registry, could you please advise how long it's taking to process a first registration please with and without the case being expedited? Just going through the legals after having an offer accepted and found out the house isn't registered. Our mortgage offer expires end of September - if the case is expeditated are we likely to have the FR sorted by then?

Thanks!

Without it will wait a very long time. 

They need to lodge it. And then request expedition. If they do that and it’s in order you should meet your deadline 

Hi @Land_Registry - I’ve just been told (two months into the process) that the owner of my flat has not registered a new lease for it yet. My mortgage offer expires November 2022. Any ideas of how long this could take? Best ways to expedite? Thanks 

woodpeckerx

Melcooling1 said:

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user1977 said:

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Land_Registry said:

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Land_Registry said:

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Land_Registry said:

Melcooling1 said:

Land_Registry said:

Melcooling1 said:

Hi,

Looking for some help. My land registry ref number is EA88FD3.

I offered on a shared ownership property back in February, the searches came back in May and flagged up issues with land registry titles.

The application was successfully expedited in Feb. I was told that there were 3 outstanding requisitions to be resolved by the lodging solicitors before it could proceed. I’ve gone back and fourth for months trying to get the solicitors to resolve these 3 points. 

This has finally been done however I’m now being told that the titles still can’t be done because of 12 - 18 months backlogs!? i thought that because it was expedited it could be done ahead, but apparently not? 

I want to know exactly what the issue is and why the titles can’t be done?

Additionally, I have asked my solicitor to compete without the full titles (based on the uncertain time frame) however I’m being told this is not an option? 

Thanks for your help

Can you confirm the reference please as that one is unrecognised 

Hey, just double checked and EA88FD3 is the correct ref number and is found under this when I call up. 

Also have the title numbers -
 DY561107 (New Title)

DY531957 (Parent Title)

Or customer reference 

GTAL01/039775.00445(P44)

If you manage to find it, I’d also like to know when the 12 - 18 months time frame starts. For example is it from the date I offered on the property? 


Thanks  

Ok - so lodged 18 Feb and it’s been expedited. Unsure where 12-18 months comes from but if from your solicitor then I’d imagine from completion (January)
The reason it can’t be completed yet by us is that there are prior applications against the developer’s title that affect and need to be completed first. 

The solicitor has recently been advised of this so should be able to share/explain in more detail for you 

Hi thanks for your quick reply. 

12 - 18 months came from land registry yourselves when I called up. Although I’ve called again today and they did say that this is generalised time frame and unlikely to be this long with expedited cases.

I’m aware that there are 2 pieces of work that need to be done before mine can be completed. However nobody is able to give me a time frame when this will be done. Without a time frame it’s looking like I’m going to have a pull out of the sale. 

Is there absolutely no way of getting this through quicker? Can the case worker push for the other work to be done? 

Thanks 

We do push but the ball is very much in the applicants court re timescales as until they reply we can’t proceed in each case. 

The conveyancer involved in the sale is better placed to push as appropriate as fellow conveyancing firm involved. Whether they can and will though is up to them. 

We will remind/chase after a set time only as that’s very much part of the registration process 

Sorry bit confused with this reply.

As far as I’m aware the lodging solicitors have responded to everything land reg has requested and the delay now lies with land reg? 

There’s ‘prior applications and other pieces of work ahead of mine that need to be done first apparently so what I’m asking is surely the caseworker will have a rough estimate when this work may be completed? 

Without been given a time frame from land reg I’m going to lose the house which seems completely ridiculous. 

Is it possible to get this escalated to a manager? 

Thanks 

There are a large number of prior applications pending against the seller’s title most of which have been submitted by a variety of conveyancers. You refer to just one but there are many.
There are 60+ applications pending and with priority ahead of your own expedited application. Your conveyancer has been advised (last week) re the current hold up
The conveyancer who lodged the application which appears to be the main blocker was contacted on the 19th July and we await their response. 

I totally understand the ridiculous nature of the situation re timescales involved but it looks as if we are very much up to date with this development but reliant on the conveyancers to resolve specific issues before all the plot sales can start to fall like dominoes. Unfortunately that can happen when applications are incomplete
As you have contacted us direct you can reply using that channel escalate matters but I’m afraid there will be nothing we can do at this stage as the conveyancers will need time to resolve matters. 

Spoke to the phone team and they’ve escalated it through to your complaints team . 

I don't see what grounds you have for complaint against the LR. I'm sure your solicitor can explain the position if you don't understand or believe the LR rep's explanation.

Solicitors seem to have this bad habit of blaming LR for their own failings, had this recently and put the solictor straight that in no way was the LR delaying anything.

Haha yeh totally get that! I was putting mine straight for 2 months that it was the sellers solicitor holding it up! That’s all been resolved now so unfortunately the hold up is with land Reg or more specifically prior applications and their conveyancers. Land reg are not able to put my application ahead of these even though it’s essentially ‘ready to go’ so this is what they’ve escalated my complaint about

It sounds like prior applications haven't been expedited or have unanswered LR requisitions, that is not down to LR that would be down to the conveyancers in question, I think you are addressing a complaint to the wrong place.

HomeBuyer22

Hi @Land_Registry, would really appreciate your advice. 
We are selling our home and have a restriction relating to a maintenance company. The company was dissolved in 2018 and we have no management company now. Our solicitor is saying they cannot get the restriction removed due to lack of evidence etc. - They have expedited requests but just seem stuck. From my naïve perspective, showing the companies house proof that the company is dissolved should help? Our move relies on this progressing and our new property may be lost by September if things aren't sorted. Do you have any guidance on what we could do please? 

HWBY

We're struggling to understand the hold-up with the property we're trying to buy. Our solicitor told us today that:

"the Restriction noted at B4 of the Title has been requested to be removed from the Land Registry as the Sellers' Solicitors could not provide the relevant information for this to be dealt with. This is still being dealt with by the Land Registry and even though they are chasing they do not have a date for when the title will be updated."

The restriction noted at B4 is:

B4 (16.12.2015) RESTRICTION: No disposition of the registered estate (other than a charge) by the proprietor of the registered estate or by the proprietor of any registered charge, not being a charge registered before the entry of this restriction, is to be registered without a certificate signed by a conveyancer that the provisions of Clause 2.2 and Clause 3.1 of an Overage Deed dated 30 November 2015 made between (1) [Prior landowner], (2) [Developer] and (3) [Director of Developer] have been complied with or that they do not apply to the disposition.

We were told that our vendors' solicitor had made the request to have it removed on the 4th July. Our solicitor just shrugs her shoulders when we ask how long we can expect this to take. We were initially meant to complete in May and have a deadline of September to move for a new job, so this is proving to be very frustrating. I ended up crying in the office toilets today!

Can anyone help me with a general timeframe for this sort of thing? Are we talking weeks or months? 

Edit: Sorry, should I have tagged you @Land_Registry ?

Land_Registry

coolasfolke said:

Land_Registry said:

g7lla said:

@Land_Registry, could you please advise how long it's taking to process a first registration please with and without the case being expedited? Just going through the legals after having an offer accepted and found out the house isn't registered. Our mortgage offer expires end of September - if the case is expeditated are we likely to have the FR sorted by then?

Thanks!

Without it will wait a very long time. 

They need to lodge it. And then request expedition. If they do that and it’s in order you should meet your deadline 

Hi @Land_Registry - I’ve just been told (two months into the process) that the owner of my flat has not registered a new lease for it yet. My mortgage offer expires November 2022. Any ideas of how long this could take? Best ways to expedite? Thanks 

If it’s two months already you’ve got several more to wait. 

Best way to expedite it is to request expedition with evidence of the confirmed sale/purchase eg memorandum of sale 

Land_Registry

HomeBuyer22 said:

Hi @Land_Registry, would really appreciate your advice. 
We are selling our home and have a restriction relating to a maintenance company. The company was dissolved in 2018 and we have no management company now. Our solicitor is saying they cannot get the restriction removed due to lack of evidence etc. - They have expedited requests but just seem stuck. From my naïve perspective, showing the companies house proof that the company is dissolved should help? Our move relies on this progressing and our new property may be lost by September if things aren't sorted. Do you have any guidance on what we could do please? 

They should refer to PG 35 section 7.7 for guidance 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/corporate-insolvency

This type of thing can happen but simply stating a company has been dissolved rarely secures removal

Land_Registry

HWBY said:

We're struggling to understand the hold-up with the property we're trying to buy. Our solicitor told us today that:

"the Restriction noted at B4 of the Title has been requested to be removed from the Land Registry as the Sellers' Solicitors could not provide the relevant information for this to be dealt with. This is still being dealt with by the Land Registry and even though they are chasing they do not have a date for when the title will be updated."

The restriction noted at B4 is:

B4 (16.12.2015) RESTRICTION: No disposition of the registered estate (other than a charge) by the proprietor of the registered estate or by the proprietor of any registered charge, not being a charge registered before the entry of this restriction, is to be registered without a certificate signed by a conveyancer that the provisions of Clause 2.2 and Clause 3.1 of an Overage Deed dated 30 November 2015 made between (1) [Prior landowner], (2) [Developer] and (3) [Director of Developer] have been complied with or that they do not apply to the disposition.

We were told that our vendors' solicitor had made the request to have it removed on the 4th July. Our solicitor just shrugs her shoulders when we ask how long we can expect this to take. We were initially meant to complete in May and have a deadline of September to move for a new job, so this is proving to be very frustrating. I ended up crying in the office toilets today!

Can anyone help me with a general timeframe for this sort of thing? Are we talking weeks or months? 

Title number? I assume the solicitor has requested expedition and if so progress has been made. In most cases wider checks can be needed but they only happen if the application is in order. Those wider checks can take time to complete. 

Impossible to be definitive re timescales without specifics. How it’s been ‘chased’ and the restriction wording aren’t enough detail on their own but if you can confirm the title number we might be able to answer your Q

HWBY

Land_Registry said:

HWBY said:

We're struggling to understand the hold-up with the property we're trying to buy. Our solicitor told us today that:

"the Restriction noted at B4 of the Title has been requested to be removed from the Land Registry as the Sellers' Solicitors could not provide the relevant information for this to be dealt with. This is still being dealt with by the Land Registry and even though they are chasing they do not have a date for when the title will be updated."

The restriction noted at B4 is:

B4 (16.12.2015) RESTRICTION: No disposition of the registered estate (other than a charge) by the proprietor of the registered estate or by the proprietor of any registered charge, not being a charge registered before the entry of this restriction, is to be registered without a certificate signed by a conveyancer that the provisions of Clause 2.2 and Clause 3.1 of an Overage Deed dated 30 November 2015 made between (1) [Prior landowner], (2) [Developer] and (3) [Director of Developer] have been complied with or that they do not apply to the disposition.

We were told that our vendors' solicitor had made the request to have it removed on the 4th July. Our solicitor just shrugs her shoulders when we ask how long we can expect this to take. We were initially meant to complete in May and have a deadline of September to move for a new job, so this is proving to be very frustrating. I ended up crying in the office toilets today!

Can anyone help me with a general timeframe for this sort of thing? Are we talking weeks or months? 

Title number? I assume the solicitor has requested expedition and if so progress has been made. In most cases wider checks can be needed but they only happen if the application is in order. Those wider checks can take time to complete. 

Impossible to be definitive re timescales without specifics. How it’s been ‘chased’ and the restriction wording aren’t enough detail on their own but if you can confirm the title number we might be able to answer your Q

Thanks for your reply - how would I find the title number? I have several documents with various title numbers on. Would the one from "Official copy of register of title" be appropriate? It's BD310011. Sorry for the sequence of questions!

Land_Registry

HWBY said:

Land_Registry said:

HWBY said:

We're struggling to understand the hold-up with the property we're trying to buy. Our solicitor told us today that:

"the Restriction noted at B4 of the Title has been requested to be removed from the Land Registry as the Sellers' Solicitors could not provide the relevant information for this to be dealt with. This is still being dealt with by the Land Registry and even though they are chasing they do not have a date for when the title will be updated."

The restriction noted at B4 is:

B4 (16.12.2015) RESTRICTION: No disposition of the registered estate (other than a charge) by the proprietor of the registered estate or by the proprietor of any registered charge, not being a charge registered before the entry of this restriction, is to be registered without a certificate signed by a conveyancer that the provisions of Clause 2.2 and Clause 3.1 of an Overage Deed dated 30 November 2015 made between (1) [Prior landowner], (2) [Developer] and (3) [Director of Developer] have been complied with or that they do not apply to the disposition.

We were told that our vendors' solicitor had made the request to have it removed on the 4th July. Our solicitor just shrugs her shoulders when we ask how long we can expect this to take. We were initially meant to complete in May and have a deadline of September to move for a new job, so this is proving to be very frustrating. I ended up crying in the office toilets today!

Can anyone help me with a general timeframe for this sort of thing? Are we talking weeks or months? 

Title number? I assume the solicitor has requested expedition and if so progress has been made. In most cases wider checks can be needed but they only happen if the application is in order. Those wider checks can take time to complete. 

Impossible to be definitive re timescales without specifics. How it’s been ‘chased’ and the restriction wording aren’t enough detail on their own but if you can confirm the title number we might be able to answer your Q

Thanks for your reply - how would I find the title number? I have several documents with various title numbers on. Would the one from "Official copy of register of title" be appropriate? It's BD310011. Sorry for the sequence of questions!

No apology ever necessary and that looks like the right one. 

So lodged 4th May. Expedited, although perhaps only last week. Now processed and the wider checks started.
As things stand those checks may not complete until 17th/18th Aug which should be in time for your work deadline hopefully. 

The main risk of course is if those checks reveal any issues. It seems unlikely but we don’t know hence the checks being made. 

Please don’t ask for more details re checks as these are in part to prevent the fraudulent removal of such entries so the details provided are the best we can do. 

Hopefully that helps and if things finish sooner your conveyancer will know. 

If you want to make a note to reply again on 17th/18th then we can check again