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woodpeckerx said:

Hi @Land_Registry,

Regarding application GC94F5D, I have found out the solicitor that applied for the first registration didn't expedite it as promised and it was only expedited today (11th July) after I asked my soliictor and EA what was happening.

We have been patiently sat here for over 3 weeks expecting it to be completed any day as they told us they applied and expedited it on 17th June.

Now this bombshell has been dropped on us and we are only 5 weeks from mortgage expiry, is there anything you can do to help please?

Edit 17th July (Mortgage expiry now 4 weeks)
I understand 4 requisitions were raised, the sellers solictor said they could and would answer them last week. Have these now been answered and if so is the registration close to being completed? Really running out of time, any help much appreciated.

Thank you.

No reply to our requests have been received as yet I’m afraid 

Hi @Land_Registry

I found out the questions on GC94F5D got answered yesterday, is there anything you could do to help this one through the system please, we are running out of time :-(

Thank you.

I can see they’ve replied. Will enquire of colleagues re timescales 

Unfortunately the solicitor’s reply wasn’t sufficient and we’ve gone back to them to explain 

Hi @Land_Registry

Only me again :-) Regarding application GC94F5D I have been told the solictors have now answered / clarified the outstanding questions, could you please check again for me and if possible help it through the system.

Thank you.

Whilst they have replied sadly it’s still insufficient so we will be going back to them again to reiterate what’s required. 

Hi @Land_Registry

Me again:-) Regarding application GC94F5D, I just found out the seller has found the missing deeds, hoorah!!

I have been informed they have been scanned and sent in, if you could check that would be fantastic.

Thank you.

We need the actual deed to be sent in and that’s being arranged. Once we have it then things should be completed very quickly 

Hi @Land_Registry

Me again :-) Regarding GC94F5D - The solicitor says they sent in the orignal and tracked it has arrived, is there any sign of it in your system yet?

Thank you.

Nothing as yet. Suggest I keep a note and check the title to save you posting each day. Hope that’s ok 

Land_Registry

Locoblade said:

Hi

I've been helping an elderly relative sort out a few things after her husband passed away a while back and I'm trying to work out what if anything to with the title deeds for a small piece of land they joint purchased to extend their garden.

They actually bought two pieces of land a few years apart back in the 1980's, the second purchase has deeds already registered with Land Registry so I believe the Deceased Joint Proprietor form should suffice to remove the deceased name, but the first piece of land bought around 1983 is unregistered with paper deeds only. For this one I think we probably need to go through a First Registration to get it registered and if possible remove the deceased name at the same time? The first registration at least appears to be something you should be able to DIY without needing a conveyancing solicitor, but although there's guidance on the Land Registry site the process is somewhat confusing.

The first step the Land Registry webpage lists is apply for a search from the Land Charges Department to search against all previous owners since 1925. I'm not entirely sure where to start with this form though as rather than asking for details of the land so previous owners can be identified as I was expecting, it's asking the opposite wanting a list of names to be searched?! What names go on this form, obviously we can put the current owners and the deeds name the previous owner the land was purchased from (Government owned as it was land owned by an ambulance station plot) but I've got no idea if they've owned it all the way back to 1925. What's more, other than a "land description" which the notes say is not even an essential box to fill in, the form doesn't appear to need formal details of the actual piece of land you want to search ownership for, so I'm rather confused exactly what this will end up achieving?

The first registration form itself looks a little more self explanatory but obviously we need to get past the above hurdle first, so any advice on filling in the Land Charges Department form or even if this is the right process in the circumstances?

Thanks

If the land is unregistered then a FR is the correct way forward. 

Unregistered land relies on the deeds to confirm ownership. The Land Charges department register an interest it unregistered land and such interest are recorded against the individual’s name, not the land/property. So any search would be by name 

For a FR we require searches against the applicant and the previous owner where possible. Practice Guide 1 section 4.4.5 explains but I’d suggest you go with the obvious/what you can search and then submit your application. So searches against each of their names only 

woodpeckerx

Land_Registry said:

woodpeckerx said:

Land_Registry said:

woodpeckerx said:

Land_Registry said:

woodpeckerx said:

Land_Registry said:

Land_Registry said:

woodpeckerx said:

Land_Registry said:

woodpeckerx said:

Hi @Land_Registry,

Regarding application GC94F5D, I have found out the solicitor that applied for the first registration didn't expedite it as promised and it was only expedited today (11th July) after I asked my soliictor and EA what was happening.

We have been patiently sat here for over 3 weeks expecting it to be completed any day as they told us they applied and expedited it on 17th June.

Now this bombshell has been dropped on us and we are only 5 weeks from mortgage expiry, is there anything you can do to help please?

Edit 17th July (Mortgage expiry now 4 weeks)
I understand 4 requisitions were raised, the sellers solictor said they could and would answer them last week. Have these now been answered and if so is the registration close to being completed? Really running out of time, any help much appreciated.

Thank you.

No reply to our requests have been received as yet I’m afraid 

Hi @Land_Registry

I found out the questions on GC94F5D got answered yesterday, is there anything you could do to help this one through the system please, we are running out of time :-(

Thank you.

I can see they’ve replied. Will enquire of colleagues re timescales 

Unfortunately the solicitor’s reply wasn’t sufficient and we’ve gone back to them to explain 

Hi @Land_Registry

Only me again :-) Regarding application GC94F5D I have been told the solictors have now answered / clarified the outstanding questions, could you please check again for me and if possible help it through the system.

Thank you.

Whilst they have replied sadly it’s still insufficient so we will be going back to them again to reiterate what’s required. 

Hi @Land_Registry

Me again:-) Regarding application GC94F5D, I just found out the seller has found the missing deeds, hoorah!!

I have been informed they have been scanned and sent in, if you could check that would be fantastic.

Thank you.

We need the actual deed to be sent in and that’s being arranged. Once we have it then things should be completed very quickly 

Hi @Land_Registry

Me again :-) Regarding GC94F5D - The solicitor says they sent in the orignal and tracked it has arrived, is there any sign of it in your system yet?

Thank you.

Nothing as yet. Suggest I keep a note and check the title to save you posting each day. Hope that’s ok 

Hi @Land_Registry

Thank you that is most kind, if you could check and let me know it would be much appreciated.

We are absolutely pulling our hair out with this solicitor, the deadline is so close now.

Thanks again.

Locoblade

Land_Registry said:

If the land is unregistered then a FR is the correct way forward. 

Unregistered land relies on the deeds to confirm ownership. The Land Charges department register an interest it unregistered land and such interest are recorded against the individual’s name, not the land/property. So any search would be by name 

For a FR we require searches against the applicant and the previous owner where possible. Practice Guide 1 section 4.4.5 explains but I’d suggest you go with the obvious/what you can search and then submit your application. So searches against each of their names only 

Many thanks, what about the removal of the deceased from the title, can that be done at the same time, perhaps by submitting along with the Deceased Joint Proprietor form for the other title that is already registered which requires a death certificate sending anyway?

Land_Registry

woodpeckerx said:o

Land_Registry said:

woodpeckerx said:

Land_Registry said:

woodpeckerx said:

Land_Registry said:

woodpeckerx said:

Land_Registry said:

Land_Registry said:

woodpeckerx said:

Land_Registry said:

woodpeckerx said:

Hi @Land_Registry,

Regarding application GC94F5D, I have found out the solicitor that applied for the first registration didn't expedite it as promised and it was only expedited today (11th July) after I asked my soliictor and EA what was happening.

We have been patiently sat here for over 3 weeks expecting it to be completed any day as they told us they applied and expedited it on 17th June.

Now this bombshell has been dropped on us and we are only 5 weeks from mortgage expiry, is there anything you can do to help please?

Edit 17th July (Mortgage expiry now 4 weeks)
I understand 4 requisitions were raised, the sellers solictor said they could and would answer them last week. Have these now been answered and if so is the registration close to being completed? Really running out of time, any help much appreciated.

Thank you.

No reply to our requests have been received as yet I’m afraid 

Hi @Land_Registry

I found out the questions on GC94F5D got answered yesterday, is there anything you could do to help this one through the system please, we are running out of time :-(

Thank you.

I can see they’ve replied. Will enquire of colleagues re timescales 

Unfortunately the solicitor’s reply wasn’t sufficient and we’ve gone back to them to explain 

Hi @Land_Registry

Only me again :-) Regarding application GC94F5D I have been told the solictors have now answered / clarified the outstanding questions, could you please check again for me and if possible help it through the system.

Thank you.

Whilst they have replied sadly it’s still insufficient so we will be going back to them again to reiterate what’s required. 

Hi @Land_Registry

Me again:-) Regarding application GC94F5D, I just found out the seller has found the missing deeds, hoorah!!

I have been informed they have been scanned and sent in, if you could check that would be fantastic.

Thank you.

We need the actual deed to be sent in and that’s being arranged. Once we have it then things should be completed very quickly 

Hi @Land_Registry

Me again :-) Regarding GC94F5D - The solicitor says they sent in the orignal and tracked it has arrived, is there any sign of it in your system yet?

Thank you.

Nothing as yet. Suggest I keep a note and check the title to save you posting each day. Hope that’s ok 

Hi @Land_Registry

Thank you that is most kind, if you could check and let me know it would be much appreciated.

We are absolutely pulling our hair out with this solicitor, the deadline is so close now.

Thanks again.

It’s been completed this morning so you should be able to move on with things 

Land_Registry

Locoblade said:

Land_Registry said:

If the land is unregistered then a FR is the correct way forward. 

Unregistered land relies on the deeds to confirm ownership. The Land Charges department register an interest it unregistered land and such interest are recorded against the individual’s name, not the land/property. So any search would be by name 

For a FR we require searches against the applicant and the previous owner where possible. Practice Guide 1 section 4.4.5 explains but I’d suggest you go with the obvious/what you can search and then submit your application. So searches against each of their names only 

Many thanks, what about the removal of the deceased from the title, can that be done at the same time, perhaps by submitting along with the Deceased Joint Proprietor form for the other title that is already registered which requires a death certificate sending anyway?

Yes, you’d need to submit form DJP with the death certificate to update the registered title. 

For the FR we’d need the death certificate to show how the unregistered joint ownership has devolved to just the surviving one 

woodpeckerx

Land_Registry said:

woodpeckerx said:o

Land_Registry said:

woodpeckerx said:

Land_Registry said:

woodpeckerx said:

Land_Registry said:

woodpeckerx said:

Land_Registry said:

Land_Registry said:

woodpeckerx said:

Land_Registry said:

woodpeckerx said:

Hi @Land_Registry,

Regarding application GC94F5D, I have found out the solicitor that applied for the first registration didn't expedite it as promised and it was only expedited today (11th July) after I asked my soliictor and EA what was happening.

We have been patiently sat here for over 3 weeks expecting it to be completed any day as they told us they applied and expedited it on 17th June.

Now this bombshell has been dropped on us and we are only 5 weeks from mortgage expiry, is there anything you can do to help please?

Edit 17th July (Mortgage expiry now 4 weeks)
I understand 4 requisitions were raised, the sellers solictor said they could and would answer them last week. Have these now been answered and if so is the registration close to being completed? Really running out of time, any help much appreciated.

Thank you.

No reply to our requests have been received as yet I’m afraid 

Hi @Land_Registry

I found out the questions on GC94F5D got answered yesterday, is there anything you could do to help this one through the system please, we are running out of time :-(

Thank you.

I can see they’ve replied. Will enquire of colleagues re timescales 

Unfortunately the solicitor’s reply wasn’t sufficient and we’ve gone back to them to explain 

Hi @Land_Registry

Only me again :-) Regarding application GC94F5D I have been told the solictors have now answered / clarified the outstanding questions, could you please check again for me and if possible help it through the system.

Thank you.

Whilst they have replied sadly it’s still insufficient so we will be going back to them again to reiterate what’s required. 

Hi @Land_Registry

Me again:-) Regarding application GC94F5D, I just found out the seller has found the missing deeds, hoorah!!

I have been informed they have been scanned and sent in, if you could check that would be fantastic.

Thank you.

We need the actual deed to be sent in and that’s being arranged. Once we have it then things should be completed very quickly 

Hi @Land_Registry

Me again :-) Regarding GC94F5D - The solicitor says they sent in the orignal and tracked it has arrived, is there any sign of it in your system yet?

Thank you.

Nothing as yet. Suggest I keep a note and check the title to save you posting each day. Hope that’s ok 

Hi @Land_Registry

Thank you that is most kind, if you could check and let me know it would be much appreciated.

We are absolutely pulling our hair out with this solicitor, the deadline is so close now.

Thanks again.

It’s been completed this morning so you should be able to move on with things 

Hi @Land_Registry

Thank you so much for all your help, its an amazing service you offer and being able to contact you via this forum has helped us so much.

All the best and hopefully we can move in soon!

Locoblade

Land_Registry said:

Locoblade said:

Land_Registry said:

If the land is unregistered then a FR is the correct way forward. 

Unregistered land relies on the deeds to confirm ownership. The Land Charges department register an interest it unregistered land and such interest are recorded against the individual’s name, not the land/property. So any search would be by name 

For a FR we require searches against the applicant and the previous owner where possible. Practice Guide 1 section 4.4.5 explains but I’d suggest you go with the obvious/what you can search and then submit your application. So searches against each of their names only 

Many thanks, what about the removal of the deceased from the title, can that be done at the same time, perhaps by submitting along with the Deceased Joint Proprietor form for the other title that is already registered which requires a death certificate sending anyway?

Yes, you’d need to submit form DJP with the death certificate to update the registered title. 

For the FR we’d need the death certificate to show how the unregistered joint ownership has devolved to just the surviving one 

OK thank you, so submit both together with a covering letter perhaps?

Land_Registry

Locoblade said:

Land_Registry said:

Locoblade said:

Land_Registry said:

If the land is unregistered then a FR is the correct way forward. 

Unregistered land relies on the deeds to confirm ownership. The Land Charges department register an interest it unregistered land and such interest are recorded against the individual’s name, not the land/property. So any search would be by name 

For a FR we require searches against the applicant and the previous owner where possible. Practice Guide 1 section 4.4.5 explains but I’d suggest you go with the obvious/what you can search and then submit your application. So searches against each of their names only 

Many thanks, what about the removal of the deceased from the title, can that be done at the same time, perhaps by submitting along with the Deceased Joint Proprietor form for the other title that is already registered which requires a death certificate sending anyway?

Yes, you’d need to submit form DJP with the death certificate to update the registered title. 

For the FR we’d need the death certificate to show how the unregistered joint ownership has devolved to just the surviving one 

OK thank you, so submit both together with a covering letter perhaps?

You can submit both together in that way, yes

markelanduk

Hi, hope you can help. 

I was hoping to exchange on a property yesterday until our solicitor found an additional charge (another mortgage) on the property w're looking to purchase; said solicitor was already aware of one mortgage, but not the other. This additional mortgage dates to the mid-1970s and the bank/company/lender no longer exists. The seller is not aware of the existence of the mortgage (ugly divorce), so would you kindly be able to advise how the seller and their solicitor go about removing this additional charge from the property please? Many thanks.