Will Britain really leave EU?

AnotherJoe

Rock on MrGinge you've nailed it.

gadgetmind

mrginge wrote: »

So my point is that if a sensible concession had been made by the EU then more than enough of the marginal leave voters would have stuck with remain.

I don't think anyone fully appreciated the depth and breadth of dislike of immigrants. I'm happy to put up my hand and admit that I for one was in the dark regards how strong feelings were, and seeing interviews with Leave voters in Hartlepool etc. afterwards, and seeing the open race hate crime on the streets since the referendum has been stomach-churning TBH.

Things have definitely been badly handled, and maybe some restriction on free movement might have been possible and might have swung things. But restricting free movement will do a lot of damage in and of itself, and we tried to remain in the EU to retain this freedom (freedoms are good!) but failed. Now we need to fight to keep this freedom while out of the EU.

It's not going to be easy.

setmefree2

gadgetmind wrote: »

we'd have "taken our sovereignty back" (whatever that means)

If you don't know what it means - you should try finding out. Where have you been the last 23 years??? ie since Maastricht was signed.

gadgetmind

I've mostly been in the EU but I think a whole load of others have been stuck in Little England.

setmefree2

gadgetmind wrote: »

As things stand, even a short term restriction on hiring from the EU would damage my business in ways that I cannot permit, so I'm already reducing my UK workforce and creating/expanding offices in other EU countries. If we lose valuable freedoms such as free movement, that we've fought so hard for in the past, then I'm prepared. If not, well nothing lost and I get to visit Spain on business more often.

I think your post sums up exactly what is wrong with the EU for so many people. I know (some) business people like to forget it but people live in countries and those countries are their homes; their societies. Countries are not business parks. Businesses can't just stomp all over them without regard for the consequences.

I hope you move your business to Spain, I personally don't think we need businesses like yours in the UK.

Tromking

gadgetmind wrote: »

I've mostly been in the EU but I think a whole load of others have been stuck in Little England.

ZZZZzzzzzz.

gadgetmind

but people live in countries and those countries are their homes; their societies.

Which is fine, but we need to look beyond our shores for business, and for talented people, or as a country we will fail. This means at times that we'll need to abide by rules not completely of our making, but that's life.

setmefree2 wrote: »

I hope you move your business to Spain, I personally don't think we need businesses like yours in the UK.

We've got no intention of moving it to Spain. We employ people in 25+ countries, and the UK will probably remain our base. What we will be doing is employing more people in EU offices, and far fewer in the UK, because getting EU people to move to the UK is already proving difficult.

This isn't something we've decided to do, it's something we're being forced to do. Us doing it will hurt the UK, but it wasn't our decision so I don't feel any tinge of guilt.

You may think that the UK doesn't need high tech companies that employ large numbers of people, export like crazy, and pull much-needed money into the UK. I think you're deeply wrong but doubt that I could convinced of that so simply won't try.

mrginge

gadgetmind wrote: »

Which is fine, but we need to look beyond our shores for business, and for talented people, or as a country we will fail. This means at times that we'll need to abide by rules not completely of our making, but that's life.



We've got no intention of moving it to Spain. We employ people in 25+ countries, and the UK will probably remain our base. What we will be doing is employing more people in EU offices, and far fewer in the UK, because getting EU people to move to the UK is already proving difficult.

This isn't something we've decided to do, it's something we're being forced to do. Us doing it will hurt the UK, but it wasn't our decision so I don't feel any tinge of guilt.

You may think that the UK doesn't need high tech companies that employ large numbers of people, export like crazy, and pull much-needed money into the UK. I think you're deeply wrong but doubt that I could convinced of that so simply won't try.

Why do you not invest in the development of UK staff?

setmefree2

gadgetmind wrote: »

You may think that the UK doesn't need high tech companies that employ large numbers of people, export like crazy, and pull much-needed money into the UK. I think you're deeply wrong but doubt that I could convinced of that so simply won't try.

Of course I believe the UK needs high tech companies. I also believe that the new UK with some great new trade deals might be an even more attractive place for companies to do business.

If the employees you need have very specific qualifications they will surely gain entry to the UK under a points based system. I don't understand why you are so hysterical (or aggressive). Are you British?

Tromking

gadgetmind wrote: »

You may think that the UK doesn't need high tech companies that employ large numbers of people, export like crazy, and pull much-needed money into the UK. I think you're deeply wrong but doubt that I could convinced of that so simply won't try.

Whats the name of your company?
I`m not sure I want a company that has you in a position of responsibility based in the UK. You do possess some odious views on 52% of the UK electorate it seems.