Will Britain really leave EU?

mayonnaise

CLAPTON wrote: »

so wish for the denial of the democratic referendum decision
or harm to the people of the UK and of EU

nice person

gadgetmind also didn't condemn Corbyn, which means he's an IRA supporter.
You're such a bore, clappers.

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

gadgetmind also didn't condemn Corbyn, which means he's an IRA supporter.
You're such a bore, clappers.

Whilst I see NO connection betwent the two situations, I am sure that gadgetmind can talk for himself about whether he considers it appropriate for the labour leadship clique to be IRA supporting and unwilling to condemn the IRA murders and killers.

You however, can make you own position clear : do you consider the IRA bombers as freedom fighters or murdering terrorist or are you a fellow traveller with the odious trio, Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott?

gadgetmind

CLAPTON wrote: »

so wish for the denial of the democratic referendum decision

No, they voted to leave the EU, and that's what we'd do. No more being bound by their regulations (except we will no matter what), we'd have "taken our sovereignty back" (whatever that means), and wouldn't have to pay any money into the EU (nor get any back out).

There was never a statement that leaving the EU would prevent free movement of people, goods, services and capital.

or harm to the people of the UK and of EU

I voted against this harm. What others did is something they'll have plenty of chances to reflect on over the coming years,

gadgetmind

CLAPTON wrote: »

do you consider the IRA bombers as freedom fighters or murdering terrorist

OK fair enough, I guess we are discussing Brexit on the "Dystopia" thread!

CLAPTON

gadgetmind wrote: »

OK fair enough, I guess we are discussing Brexit on the "Dystopia" thread!

my apologises, as I intended to post
'Whilst I see NO ...etc '
I have edited my post accordingly

movilogo

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/24/brexit-deal-free-movement-exemption-seven-years

Tromking

movilogo wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/24/brexit-deal-free-movement-exemption-seven-years

Interesting.
Out means out?.....Nah, the real negotiations begin when you vote to leave. Typical EU.

gadgetmind

Tromking wrote: »

Out means out?

So, bath water thrown out but baby retained.

One wonders if those who voted "out with the bath water", who'll be left glowering and seething at the baby, will now admit where their hatred lay all along?

And there's also the question of whether without new EU immigrants for several years, those who blamed immigration for their own failings will be honest - at least with themselves - about the real causes, or whether they'll just cast around for another scapegoat. However, I think we already know the answer to that one.

Tromking

gadgetmind wrote: »

So, bath water thrown out but baby retained.

One wonders if those who voted "out with the bath water", who'll be left glowering and seething at the baby, will now admit where their hatred lay all along?

And there's also the question of whether without new EU immigrants for several years, whether those who blamed immigration for their own failings will be honest - at least with themselves - about the real causes, or whether they'll just cast around for another scapegoat. However, I think we already know the answer to that one.

........or alternatively how many self loathing Remainers will lay the blame of the trauma of Brexit at the hands of a political elite in mainland Europe who just 4 weeks after the vote now seem to want to listen. The answer to that is not many.

gadgetmind

Personally I fully intend to keep the blame for Brexit firmly focussed on those who voted for it and no-one else. If Brexit goes as well as they claimed it would, then hats off to them. If it continues to spiral down the pan in exactly the way that Remain said it would then I'd hope that Leave would return the favour.