Will Britain really leave EU?

N1AK

vivatifosi wrote: »

Regarding the border with Ireland. I heard an interview on R4 yesterday, I think with David Davis. He said that there would be no change to the border. The act governing it predates our entry to the EU and there is no reason to change.

The UK has already been in discussion with the Irish government over this point, with both sides agreeing that putting a hard border back is undesirable.

We also heard Brexiters promising £350m for the NHS... in short, don't expect politicians to be honest when it suits them to lie.

It doesn't matter what was in place before we joined the EU; can you name another place where the EU has a soft border with a non-EU country? Ireland has had to stay out of Schengen to maintain its soft border with the UK, it won't leave the EU entirely to do that.

Now, maybe, they'll find a way to allow a soft border between Ireland and the UK but unless the UK is part of some free movement arrangement I think people are being very naive to think the EU is just going to happily ignore all norms around external borders because it suits us.

N1AK

Thrugelmir wrote: »

There's no longer free movement in the east of the EU. Little Brussels can do.

I've traveled across the land borders of 5 eastern European EU countries this year without any issues or restrictions. Perhaps a little perspective or even a smidge of first hand knowledge would stop you making such ridiculous comments.

tara747

martinthebandit wrote: »

Which will mean more of them, or more of them will vote for other than the Torys or Labour, let's face it one of the main reasons Cameron won a majority at the last GE was because of the promise of a referendum which caused a considerable number (or enough) of 'lite kippers' to vote for them

To be seen to renage, in some way on the result of that referendum would be political suicide and that's not something the Tory's, unlike Labour, seem to do very often.

So what kind of 'Brexit' do you think we'll end up with?

N1AK wrote: »

We also heard Brexiters promising £350m for the NHS... in short, don't expect politicians to be honest when it suits them to lie.

It doesn't matter what was in place before we joined the EU; can you name another place where the EU has a soft border with a non-EU country? Ireland has had to stay out of Schengen to maintain its soft border with the UK, it won't leave the EU entirely to do that.

Now, maybe, they'll find a way to allow a soft border between Ireland and the UK but unless the UK is part of some free movement arrangement I think people are being very naive to think the EU is just going to happily ignore all norms around external borders because it suits us.

There'll be a soft border between Ireland and NI, and a hard border between the island of Ireland and Britain (imho).

movilogo

Why can't EU reform itself to permit free movement of goods but not people?

CLAPTON

tara747 wrote: »

So what kind of 'Brexit' do you think we'll end up with?





There'll be a soft border between Ireland and NI, and a hard border between the island of Ireland and Britain (imho).

what do you mean a 'hard' border beteen the Isle of Ireland and Britain
one can move between them without a passport
dublin to liverpool
belfast to liverpool

martinthebandit

tara747 wrote: »

So what kind of 'Brexit' do you think we'll end up with?

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Personally I hope that whatever controls are placed on immigration they are fair and proportionate, i.e. they don't favour Europeans over any other demographic.

It's funny isn't it Brexiters are more likely to be accused of racism when actually the remainers position (free movement for Europeans and controls on the rest of the world) seems far more racist to me.

tara747

CLAPTON wrote: »

what do you mean a 'hard' border beteen the Isle of Ireland and Britain
one can move between them without a passport
dublin to liverpool
belfast to liverpool

No we can't.

CLAPTON

tara747 wrote: »

No we can't.

strange
I've done just that several times

tara747

CLAPTON wrote: »

strange
I've done just that several times

From Dublin to Liverpool?

ash28

tara747 wrote: »

From Dublin to Liverpool?

British citizens don't require a passport for travel to the Irish Republic....though Ryan Air may insist you have a passport.

http://www.poferries.com/eu/dublin-liverpool/faqs

P&O Ferries recommends that all passengers bring a passport with them. Irish and British citizens do not require a passport to travel between the two countries however some form of identification is required, i.e. Passport, Driving Licence, European identity Card, Photo ID (school or college), Utility Bills, or Birth Certificate etc.

and

http://www.irishferries.com/uk-en/faq/passports-identification/

Irish Ferries recommend all passengers bring a passport with them. Irish and British citizens do not strictly require a passport to travel between the two countries - some form of identification is however required. Please note that all nationalities except Irish or British require passports. Non-EU nationals should check with the British or Irish embassy before travelling as they may also need a visa. Passengers who turn up at our ports without valid documentation may not be allowed to enter either Ireland or Britain.

and

https://www.aerlingus.com/travel-information/passports-and-visas/travel-to-from-britain/

If you’re a citizen of Ireland and/or the U.K., you need to carry some form of official photo identification in order to be able to fly with us.
Note: To travel between Ireland and the U.K. with photo identification other than a passport, you must have been born in Ireland or the U.K. and also be a citizen of either country.