Will Britain really leave EU?

SingleSue

mrginge wrote: »

That's your opinion based on what you think the fall out will be. Other people may consider the fall out to be rather less serious. Obviously you believe those other people to be stupid.


Well that's slightly patronising. Perhaps those people couldn't give a stuff what you think about them. And really, why should they? You most likely live a completely different life that bears no relation to theirs and as such you can't really have much of an idea about what they think or why they think it.

Perhaps the highly intelligent in our society like your good self should have taken the time to understand why those people feel the way they do, rather than simply write them off.



Well if you are so narrow minded as to take the actions of a few and ascribe their views and morals to just over half the electorate then I wonder if you're actually as intelligent as you like to paint yourself.

This is something that has been puzzling me. I keep seeing reference to the pattern of voting being due to social and financial demographics and how 'remainers' couldn't possibly understand the struggles of those tending to vote leave and their reasons behind voting the way they did.

Humour me now please and I know this is a loaded question, how can this make people feel the way they do? What is the explanation behind it?

mrginge

SingleSue wrote: »

This is something that has been puzzling me. I keep seeing reference to the pattern of voting being due to social and financial demographics and how 'remainers' couldn't possibly understand the struggles of those tending to vote leave and their reasons behind voting the way they did.

Humour me now please and I know this is a loaded question, how can this make people feel the way they do? What is the explanation behind it?

I'm not really sure what your question is tbh.

gfplux

movilogo wrote: »

Yes, there is a proverb that a good communication is listening to what is not being said.

Here are 4 fundamental rules for EU.

CHAPTER 1: FREE MOVEMENT OF GOODS
CHAPTER 2: FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT FOR WORKERS
CHAPTER 3: RIGHT OF ESTABLISHMENT AND FREEDOM TO PROVIDE SERVICES
CHAPTER 4: FREE MOVEMENT OF CAPITAL

http://www.europeanpolicy.org/en/european-policies/single-market.html

Which one do you think most people have problem with?

Sorry but we need to be perfectly accurate and exact.
Number 2. Is free movement of People including workers.

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

I am not saying that it is impossible, only that the EU helps those businesses who want to compete for work in the EU to do so.

presumably that explains why our trade with the EU is declining and our trade with the rest of the world is increasing.

SingleSue

mrginge wrote: »

I'm not really sure what your question is tbh.

To put it another way, it appears that remain voters are assumed by a fair few leave voters to be middle class or above and rich/high earners and I really don't understand why. I've seen on various forums including this very thread and social media about remain voters being out of touch with normal people (whatever normal actually is).

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

I feel sorry for those that lack the vision and intellectual heft to understand the benefits of Brexit

Can you spell them out for us?

Herzlos

CLAPTON wrote: »

presumably that explains why our trade with the EU is declining and our trade with the rest of the world is increasing.

Citation please?

mwpt

Conrad wrote: »

I feel sorry for those that lack the vision and intellectual heft to understand the benefits of Brexit

I can imagine such people loftily dismissing any number of pioneers down the centuries, as the pessimists and static thinkers always did. Thank God a few people have the foresight and intelligence to see beyond a paint by numbers calibration

If Britain had been out of the EU but just last month voted to join it, presumably you would be on the side of joining because it was the risky pioneering decision?

martinthebandit

Herzlos wrote: »

Citation please?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_Kingdom

chucknorris

Conrad wrote: »

I feel sorry for those that lack the vision and intellectual heft to understand the benefits of Brexit

I can imagine such people loftily dismissing any number of pioneers down the centuries, as the pessimists and static thinkers always did. Thank God a few people have the foresight and intelligence to see beyond a paint by numbers calibration

I voted remain not because of any lack of foresight to any potential benefits or fear of the unknown. I voted remain because I have reached a position in life where I am very unlikely to spend what I already have, so what would be the point in voting for something that incurs risk, but with the potential for further gains? I am not afraid of taking risks (that's how I got to where I am), but the whole point of taking on risks is balancing the upside and the downside, and there is no upside for me.

But of course I understand that it isn't about me, of course it isn't, but obviously my vote was going to be focused on how it would potentially affect us (by us, I mean my wife and I, and we don't have children).

What I do fail to understand though, is why people are still bickering over this, the decision has been made, it is time to move on.