Will Britain really leave EU?

CLAPTON

gadgetmind wrote: »

True, and it's clearly those very demographics and areas that voted Leave that will be the most damaged and broken by the fall out.

On one level - a rational and reasonable one - I feel a bit sorry for those people. On another one, I guess the word "schadenfreude" exists for a reason.

I'm currently watching a new article about the massive rise in racist hate crime since the referendum. This is pushing me more and more towards the latter way of thinking.

Reap what you sow.

clearly shows a shockingly poor mathematical education.

mrginge

gadgetmind wrote: »

True, and it's clearly those very demographics and areas that voted Leave that will be the most damaged and broken by the fall out.

That's your opinion based on what you think the fall out will be. Other people may consider the fall out to be rather less serious. Obviously you believe those other people to be stupid.

On one level - a rational and reasonable one - I feel a bit sorry for those people. On another one, I guess the word "schadenfreude" exists for a reason.

Well that's slightly patronising. Perhaps those people couldn't give a stuff what you think about them. And really, why should they? You most likely live a completely different life that bears no relation to theirs and as such you can't really have much of an idea about what they think or why they think it.

Perhaps the highly intelligent in our society like your good self should have taken the time to understand why those people feel the way they do, rather than simply write them off.

I'm currently watching a new article about the massive rise in racist hate crime since the referendum. This is pushing me more and more towards the latter way of thinking.
Reap what you sow.

Well if you are so narrow minded as to take the actions of a few and ascribe their views and morals to just over half the electorate then I wonder if you're actually as intelligent as you like to paint yourself.

BobQ

globalds wrote: »

Depends what the problem is ..Maybe our elected representatives could be held to account.

The real question is .How do you get a bunch of bad losers to stop wanting to run away with their ball when the result goes against them ?

You answer the question: What is the plan?

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

You answer the question: What is the plan?

Be patient. Events will unfold. Like Carney has found. What ever you say is wrong. Because events outside ones own control changes the direction of the wind.

BobQ

AnotherJoe wrote: »

I can see your point, after all no musicians from outside the EU ever play at festivals such as Glastonbury, IOW and Reading due to that problem.

And I must have imagined going to USA on business trips because obviously there's no single market between EU and USA so doing business there must be impossible without free movement of anyone from USA coming over here to live as they please.

its obviously absolutely impossible to have any other set up to trade within Europe than allowing all of its citizens to come and live here if they wish. Simply impossible and not within the scope of anyone's ability to arrange otherwise.

And also I imagined that prior to 1973 any businesses in the UK did any trade on the continent as without free movement of people it was obviously impossible.

I will not affect the international performers that much. But the people who erect the stages, set up the sound systems etc will find that it is par more difficult to win business in the EU doe to the extra costs and the difficulties of getting work permits to do such work in the EU when you are not a citizen of it. Similarly if you are an Airbus engineer in Uk and they want you to go to France for a few weeks to work, it will be far more difficult.

Of course you can go to sell or agree UK production in the US for exports but try making something or providing a service without a work permit

Conrad

gadgetmind wrote: »

Every Brexit voter in the country should be forced to read this.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22329850-600-end-of-nations-is-there-an-alternative-to-countries/

But close to zero of them will.

The ground breaking book Futurebabble studied these big ticket predictions over the last 100 years. Close to 100% turned it wrong. One of hundreds of examples was the bulk of experts predicting Japan would usurp the USA as the world super power by 2000

another very famous theory known as the population bomb told us of certain and impending world famine leading to the collapse of the west by 1980

I'm still waiting for the 20 hour week promised by social scientists when I was at school

Conrad

BobQ wrote: »

I will not affect the international performers that much. But the people who erect the stages, set up the sound systems etc will find that it is par more difficult to win business in the EU doe to the extra costs and the difficulties of getting work permits to do such work in the EU when you are not a citizen of it. Similarly if you are an Airbus engineer in Uk and they want you to go to France for a few weeks to work, it will be far more difficult.

Of course you can go to sell or agree UK production in the US for exports but try making something or providing a service without a work permit

Ive seen several BBC 4 documentaries on massive British bands touring the world with British crews. Just because something is slightly more difficult by no means makes it impossible.

Conrad

BobQ wrote: »

You answer the question: What is the plan?

This is a very daft question of course.
I could as likely ask you what is the plan of the Italian Banks collapse, or France and Holland vote to exit, the permutations are limitless

In 1939 you would have been the one to keep asserting we must not fight Hitler as we don't have full plans. The Human journey is not about sitting still and quivering in in-action

Conrad

gadgetmind wrote: »

True, and it's clearly those very demographics and areas that voted Leave that will be the most damaged and broken by the fall out.

On one level - a rational and reasonable one - I feel a bit sorry for those people. On another one, I guess the word "schadenfreude" exists for a reason.

I'm currently watching a new article about the massive rise in racist hate crime since the referendum. This is pushing me more and more towards the latter way of thinking.

Reap what you sow.

I feel sorry for those that lack the vision and intellectual heft to understand the benefits of Brexit

I can imagine such people loftily dismissing any number of pioneers down the centuries, as the pessimists and static thinkers always did. Thank God a few people have the foresight and intelligence to see beyond a paint by numbers calibration

BobQ

Conrad wrote: »

Ive seen several BBC 4 documentaries on massive British bands touring the world with British crews. Just because something is slightly more difficult by no means makes it impossible.

I am not saying that it is impossible, only that the EU helps those businesses who want to compete for work in the EU to do so.