Will Britain really leave EU?

mayonnaise

CLAPTON wrote: »

our ability to rule ourselves

Nope, wasn't on the ballot paper either.

mayonnaise

CLAPTON wrote: »

and make our own laws.

Wasn't mentioned on my ballot paper.

StevieJ

CLAPTON wrote: »

No idea what point you are making but as you know Cameron (who would still be PM if we had 'remain'ed), was totally committed to Turkey joining.

If we leave and don't allow free movement of people, then whether they join or not is not a significant issue for us.

So was Boris from the Leave campaign The only stumbling block was the most of the rest of europe, who I believe were not so keen.

CLAPTON

StevieJ wrote: »

So was Boris from the Leave campaign The only stumbling block was the most of the rest of europe, who I believe were not so keen.

I don't understand your point

are you in favour of Turkey joining asap?

StevieJ

CLAPTON wrote: »

You must have been living on another planet for the last few months.

Restriction on immigration is a KEY aspect of the brexit and is part of our ability to rule ourselves and make our own laws.

In what was did our membership of the EU stop 1 million migrants entering the EU last years?

I am not sure it was, it may have been implied (in the posters and the like) but when questioned Brexiteers went very quiet.

StevieJ

CLAPTON wrote: »

I don't understand your point

are you in favour of Turkey joining asap?

No view, but it seems that at least one Brexiteer was. I am just saying that the UK would not veto but there are more then a few countries in the EU that would. Maybe now that Boris is Home Secretary we can have a free trade and free movement deal with Turkey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLQ3Gbiopc4

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

I thought we have covered this comprehensively and agreed that Cameron and the remain goverrnment of the day
-lied on an industrial scale
-refused civil service resources to develop an exit plan
-forced the BoE to make up ludicrous forecasts (since mainly forgotten about)
-collude with George to lie about an emergency budget
-tricked elderly senior ex-military people to sign nonsense about WW3
- etc etc

and so of course there was no-one that had the legal authority to develop a plan.

That's right - there is no plan so it isn't a universal truth that restriction of immigration is or will be a KEY part of Brexit. Sorry about that.

At least the government have recruited the leader of the leave campaign who I'm sure will be providing much needed clarity on such issues.

steve65e

chewmylegoff wrote: »

I think the whole of the UK will leave the EU but the actual substance of what that means will not change much. We will retain full access to the single market and keep freedom of movement but that will be slightly tweaked so that EU citizens have the automatic right to come and work in the UK but they don't have recourse to public funds until they meet some sort of threshold based on residency (ie EU citizens will be treated in the same way as immigrants from non-EU countries except that they won't have to get a visa).

Basically we trade the ability to be at the heart of designing EU legislation and our veto over it for the ability not to pay certain benefits to certain immigrants.

Yes, this is the one I think will happen, plus an exemption from free movement from future accession countries, and to visa free travel from Turkey.

Just enough to appease the brexiteers, who were only asked whether they wanted to leave the EU.

Our negotiating position is weak, but there still some EU members who won't want us to leave.

Herzlos

CLAPTON wrote: »

Restriction on immigration is a KEY aspect of the brexit and is part of our ability to rule ourselves and make our own laws.

Only by people who don't understand the economic and political consequences of such a suggestion. Bear in mind that there is currently no actual plan regarding immigration.

CLAPTON wrote: »

are you in favour of Turkey joining asap?

Once they meet all of the required criteria, I'm all for them joining. You're trying really hard to make a link between free movement and Turkey. Why does it have to be ASAP?

movilogo

Only by people who don't understand the economic and political consequences of such a suggestion.

This is very subjective opinion. Who exactly understands the economy? Economy is not a science like physics or maths formulas.

Immigration control is indeed a key aspect for Brexit. While the official question was about leaving EU, most electorates voted for following question "Do you think UK should continue to allow unlimited EU migration? Select Leave for No and Remain for Yes".