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The EU: IN or OUT?
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CKhalvashi wrote: »From Boris Johnson's article in the Telegraph:
Boris Johnson is blowing hot air and saying whatever he thinks he needs to say to #takecontrol. Calculated to get one over on DC and grab the top job, which is what his campaign was all about in the first place.
The costs and consequences of this decision are well beyond his control.'We don't need to be smarter than the rest; we need to be more disciplined than the rest.' - WB0 -
Maybe you should care? - just saying
. It isn't just 'your' future you should be considering, but that of your loved ones.
Why do you think it's appropriate to tell people how they should vote?
Someone who makes a personal choice to not vote is passing just as much of an opinion as someone who does.0 -
In Dateline London yesterday on BBC News, Die Welt's Thomas Kielinger commented on Juncker more than once, mentioning that the (political) daggers would be out for him. Let's see if Thomas' prophesy of an early demise of 'yesterdays man' Juncker comes true. That event alone would stabilise the financial markets nicely!
Doesn't take a genius to see that if you want to get the EU to actually do anything, you have give them a big old scare.
Time for the EU model to adapt with the core countries pushing to Fiscal Union and let the others float around the edge in a free trade area.0 -
Someone who makes a personal choice to not vote is passing just as much of an opinion as someone who does.
That may be the case, but they are often the first to complain when everything goes pear shaped.
Although I respect the fact that people are allowed to use their vote or not, I do find it sad when 'apathy' is stated as the reason for not having done so.0 -
My reason for not using my vote is apathy. I really don't care either way. There are pros and cons on both sides and whilst I'm on the middle fence, what would be the reason for voting? WHO do you vote for when you don't care?
I'm not sure whether your reason is apathy or genuine indecision, there is of course a big difference.
I would be in favour of teh ballot including an option such as abstain/ neither, as that way people can actually record a vote.
Much like general elections having an option for none of the above mentioned I spoiled my ballot at the police commissioner elections recently as a protest vote on this addition to unnecessary bureaucracy. Still old politicians need an alternative, as will be the case with the British MEPs.0 -
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No i think i was refering more to a comment that member JohnRo made about it being all old white homophobic Anti Europeans! His concerns were that all young people would migrate and all young people voted in and thats clearly CRAP! I am young and i voted OUT and i am staying with OUT if there is another Vote MR.BLAIR !
Yes probably the majority of young voted in but i think its alot more balanced like a 45/55 share of the vote ,depending in areas of the country! Also i saw onTV a young black man saying he's voting out he stated,few black Tory politicians were for out and i have seen numerous Asian's walking aroung in Ealing on Friday with 'Vote Leave badges ' on: ! So not all white and old then!:T
Apologies for misunderstanding your comment ...
Regarding age group / vote share, I've had a search and there are no official statistics, thought Sky did a "projection" and claimed that 36% of 18-24's voted, with their vote 73% remain (that from the BBC).
What we do know is that generally areas with most elderly people; fewest graduates; and lowest wages voted leave, while areas with highest graduates; people earning over 30k a year; and areas where there were more than 30% of people not born in the UK, voted remain.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/06/how-did-different-demographic-groups-vote-eu-referendum"Out of excitement comes invention" Charlie Chaplin0 -
This is like telling a smoker that what they are doing is bad for their health.
Telling me to care isn't going to suddenly make me start caring. I don't think any bodies future is suddenly doomed because we are no longer part of a union. Just like I don't think anybody would have been doomed had we stayed.
Fair enough - I don't want to fall out 0 -
Boris Johnson is blowing hot air and saying whatever he thinks he needs to say to #takecontrol. Calculated to get one over on DC and grab the top job, which is what his campaign was all about in the first place.
The costs and consequences of this decision are well beyond his control.
It is, however, the most credible leave plan I've seen yet, that would probably go a majority of the way to the Tories not losing the election.
Boris has 4 options as I see it; 3 ways his career is over, and if he can pull the 4th off will go down very well.💙💛 💔0
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