The EU: IN or OUT?

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blutto wrote: »

After the WW2 you did not see huge Que's of Brits and Germans looking to leave for everywhere else,some did but most stayed and built their countries backup ,
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The truth is that between 12 and 14 million Germans left Germany between 1944 and 1950. That was due for several reasons, not the least that the majority of their country had been taken over by the Soviets ...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944%E2%80%9350)

jimjames

JohnRo wrote: »

Boris Johnson is blowing hot air and saying whatever he thinks he needs to say to #takecontrol. Calculated to get one over on DC and grab the top job, which is what his campaign was all about in the first place.

The costs and consequences of this decision are well beyond his control.

I think it's highly likely that Boris expected Leave to lose and that it would cement his credentials with the Tory party ready for the leadership. Taking so long to decide which side to support doesn't sound like someone determined to leave.

http://damn-lies-and-statistics.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/boris-eu-leaver-strategy-failed.html

BucksLady

jimjames wrote: »

Taking so long to decide which side to support doesn't sound like someone determined to leave.

I'm not so sure. Boris likes an audience and keeping them waiting for an answer may have been all part of the plan.

JohnRo

There is no plan for post EU Britain because there never was a plan.

A government of national unity would seem more appropriate, get someone reasonably neutral to lead the negotiations who can accept where we are, take on board both sides views and negotiate without the animosity and arrogance towards the EU that got us here.

I really don't see those who've led the UK out of the EU getting a good deal for what might be left of the UK. All this crap about them needing us more than we need them, that can change very quickly if the exodus gathers pace.

It all smacks of kicking someone in the nuts when they're off guard and then immediately holding out your hand and expecting them to shake it 'because we're British'.

Mr_Costcutter

BucksLady wrote: »

jimjames wrote: »

Taking so long to decide which side to support doesn't sound like someone determined to leave.

I'm not so sure. Boris likes an audience and keeping them waiting for an answer may have been all part of the plan.

You may be right lol

The question I'm now asking is whether Jeremy C is right to dig his heels in? Goodness me, I would have gone by now and that's for sure lol

AndyBSG

I actually find all these stories about old people ruining the country for the youngsters after the referendum quite funny.

I'm one of those 'old' people and voting leave wasn't something I did for me.

- My mortgage is coming to the end of it's fixed term so likely going to cost me quite a bit when the rates get clobbered.

- I travel to Europe around a dozen times a year so even the Euro rate change has already cost me money.

- The FTSE clobbering has probably put a big dent in my pension at the time I really want to avoid any risk and just start winding it down.

Despite all that I voted leave not for me but because of my daughter because I honestly believe her future will be better served in a UK democracy and not in an EU autocracy.

When the EU was originally formed as a trading bloc it was a good idea but it's slow metamorphosis over the years into a superstate does not serve the freedoms of the citizens who's countries make up it's membership

jackieblack

"Money Saving Expert’s Martin Lewis has warned the UK "not talk ourselves into a recession" following the vote to leave the European Union. Speaking to BBC Radio 5 live, Lewis urged the public to "keep calm, carry on” and keep normal business going to make sure "the economy doesn’t tank”."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120

buglawton

This morning I heard Boris saying that we will continue to have a free trade arrangement. For that it's pretty clear we'll have to pay the 'entrance fee' with a per capita cost similar to Norway now - expensive.
With that deal we may get some services e.g. have technical standards worked out for us, have patents pooled and protected...

However if the entrance fee bears no resemblance to services received then it's a plain & simple fixed-rate tariff for selling to the EU.

But wait... in that case, can we charge the EU a similar annual fee for selling to us?

Tammykitty

jackieblack wrote: »

"Money Saving Expert’s Martin Lewis has warned the UK "not talk ourselves into a recession" following the vote to leave the European Union. Speaking to BBC Radio 5 live, Lewis urged the public to "keep calm, carry on” and keep normal business going to make sure "the economy doesn’t tank”."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120

He has a very good point, the BBC and UK media should stop headlining stories about the declines in the £ and the Stock markets etc.


Point out the positives


Run the story that the FTSE 100 closed on Friday higher than it opened the Monday before.

Onawingandaprayer

JohnRo wrote: »

It all smacks of kicking someone in the nuts when they're off guard and then immediately holding out your hand and expecting them to shake it 'because we're British'.

So WE'VE kicked the EU in the nuts when they were off-guard? Wow, that's one way of looking at it.