The EU: IN or OUT?

talexuser

That the same Mervyn King whose decade at the BOE has been judged a disaster by allowing the unprecetended housing bubble before the credit crunch, making it far worse, ignoring the warnings beforehand from the IMF and OECD? :rotfl:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/bank-of-england/10141232/Nice-Sir-Mervyn-King-still-allowed-the-ship-to-crash.html

maxie014

SimonBlake wrote: »

This is all hypothetical, unsupported talk. The real facts of the matter are in the markets - soon to be felt by all of us very tangibly.

Saying we are strong, we can do it, we are the best at everything because we are from Britain is all talk - look at England losing to Iceland for example.

Also, we're pinning all our hopes on these magical trade deals to come to fruition - when the best and most beneficial and convenient trade deals we had were already established within the European Union.

Boris & Co may have fooled the British public, but they will not fool world leaders - this will not be straightforward by any means.

So your saying germany going to walk away from their second biggest market ?
Spanish and french farmers too?
Theres always a deal to be done where money is concerned.
And as for the england team losing to iceland we have been garbage at international football for donkeys years hardly a comparison.

jimjames

maxie014 wrote: »

So your saying germany going to walk away from their second biggest market ?
Spanish and french farmers too?
Theres always a deal to be done where money is concerned.
And as for the england team losing to iceland we have been garbage at international football for donkeys years hardly a comparison.

I think it's actually pretty good comparison. Some of the posts I've seen are along the lines of "we did ok before the EU so we'll do ok again", forgetting that the UK and world economy has changed since 1966 just like the England football team. Back in the 1960s we didn't import significant numbers of cars, have a current account deficit, had just had a massive devaluation and China wasn't a significant economy.

This article was posted before the result but sums it up pretty well. All the damage is entirely self inflicted and anyone who thinks that 3 days in we can say it's all now fine is completely out of touch with reality.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/britain-flirts-with-economic-insanity/2016/05/01/bb8d7a4a-0e1f-11e6-bfa1-4efa856caf2a_story.html

SimonBlake wrote: »

Boris & Co may have fooled the British public, but they will not fool world leaders - this will not be straightforward by any means.

I think it's entirely possible that once elected Boris may decline to invoke Article 50 citing that trade deals cannot be done that are sufficiently beneficial to UK and calls a general election instead.
Some more explanation here http://damn-lies-and-statistics.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/will-uk-leave-eu-when-will-article-50.html

BucksLady

Nigel Farage has addressed an emegency meeting of the European Parliament

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4ZTuh52wXE

JohnRo

Nigel Farage needs to go away, he's caused more than enough damage already. He has no answers to the problems facing those who followed him down the garden path and voted to leave, beyond the vicious scapegoating and hateful rhetoric he exploits.

When the multi and internationals he berates begin to relocate along with the jobs and taxes they generate, things will become painfully clear all.

bigadaj

Interesting interview with a German government minister on today programe this morning. Was adamant that the uk would have to pay the full bill for access to the single market and pointed out that current uk costs are the same per head as Norway pay.

However when asked about migration and border rules, which are supposedly sacrosanct in terms of free movement, he stated that the uk might be able to apply restrictions, though this would be part of the negotiation.

Not happy with the U.K. Delays in invoking article 50 either, but admitted there wasn't a lot they could do about it.

atush

maxie014 wrote: »

Do you really think theres gonna be no trade deals done?
Last i seen we import 37billion euros worth of german cars,second biggest german car market after usa,citroen,renault,peugot,fiat,vw,skoda,mercedes,audi,uk roads are full of these.All sorts of eu imports,they make more out of us than we do them do they not?
Also uk exports have gone down,german and most others up?
Either we make a load of crap,or we were being stitched up?
Im sure theres going to be compromises,but im also sure theres going to be trade deals done.

It is a point about cars, we have bought one VW this year and will buy another or an audi. I will buy a KIA so ..looking forwards to seeing what asian deals the UK can get.

But we tend to these days buy late model used, so not sure we'll help any of the economics of this.

I think we should look into a Commonwealth free trade association? Couldnt do one before the EU.

I am also looking forwards to the UK opening incandescent bulb factories Candle shaped 60W frosted please), and making higher power vacs again.

atush

BucksLady wrote: »

Nigel Farage has addressed an emegency meeting of the European Parliament

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4ZTuh52wXE

And been booed

buglawton

bigadaj wrote: »

Interesting interview with a German government minister on today programe this morning. Was adamant that the uk would have to pay the full bill for access to the single market and pointed out that current uk costs are the same per head as Norway pay.

However when asked about migration and border rules, which are supposedly sacrosanct in terms of free movement, he stated that the uk might be able to apply restrictions, though this would be part of the negotiation.

Not happy with the U.K. Delays in invoking article 50 either, but admitted there wasn't a lot they could do about it.

When quoting his original 'up to 18 weeks' before the leadership even changes, was Cameron's mind already on his summer hols?

I'm just astonished that the usual Commons summer recess has not already been cancelled and MPs told to remain on call at 1 day's notice through this summer.

chockydavid1983

atush wrote: »

And been booed

He should be kept as far away from any negotiation as possible