The EU: IN or OUT?

Daniel54

I signed the petition and it has just passed 2.5 million

I doubt the debate will go anywhere but a reasonable sign that those who voted remain require and deserve to have their views accommodated in the settlement on leaving the EU

To me that looks like joining the EEA and accepting a high degree of freedom of movement

The referendum has granted enhanced power to the UK parliament to set UK immigration policy and it would be entirely wrong for those who voted out to think that such policy had already been decided by the referendum

maxie014

Daniel54 wrote: »

I signed the petition and it has just passed 2.5 million

I doubt the debate will go anywhere but a reasonable sign that those who voted remain require and deserve to have their views accommodated in the settlement on leaving the EU

To me that looks like joining the EEA and accepting a high degree of freedom of movement

The referendum has granted enhanced power to the UK parliament to set UK immigration policy and it would be entirely wrong for those who voted out to think that such policy had already been decided by the referendum

Why is that daniel?in an election no petitions are considered,union votes,pay rises,anything as far as i can see,or is the eu referendum a special case?

Crabman

Daniel54 wrote: »

I signed the petition and it has just passed 2.5 million

I doubt the debate will go anywhere but a reasonable sign that those who voted remain require and deserve to have their views accommodated in the settlement on leaving the EU

To me that looks like joining the EEA and accepting a high degree of freedom of movement

The referendum has granted enhanced power to the UK parliament to set UK immigration policy and it would be entirely wrong for those who voted out to think that such policy had already been decided by the referendum

If only there had been a nationwide referendum where registered voters across the UK could have exercised their democratic rights.

savings_my_hobby

Daniel54 wrote: »

I signed the petition and it has just passed 2.5 million

I doubt the debate will go anywhere but a reasonable sign that those who voted remain require and deserve to have their views accommodated in the settlement on leaving the EU

To me that looks like joining the EEA and accepting a high degree of freedom of movement

The referendum has granted enhanced power to the UK parliament to set UK immigration policy and it would be entirely wrong for those who voted out to think that such policy had already been decided by the referendum

What views do you want to accommodate?

saver861

The petition is very unlikely to go anywhere - and I don't think it is right that something can be voted and revoted - unless there are significant changes or concessions. When the Scottish Independence vote went against them, those that favoured Independence were calling for another referendum the day after - not fair. However, they now do have a more valid reason for holding a second referendum on Scottish Independence. Very unlikely to happen though as long as oil prices stay as they are.

I'm not sure many expected there to be an Brexit - including the politicians supporting it. I do wonder how many of those took that line for personal publicity rather than true belief in the Leave principles. Boris took a long time to declare his hand - why would that be - other than his top job ambitions.

There is a danger here that Leave got the win - but may not get what they thought they were getting. The influx of migrants may not be stemmed anything like their expectation. Equally the 'surplus' money may not turn out to be surplus at all and in fact we might be in minus figures when it is all balanced out.

My concern is not so much the decision to Leave, but the uncertainty that the decision will cause - that is likely to do more damage than if we had remained.

My view from the outset was that a Leave vote could be the beginning of the end of the EU. That still might be true. If we survive the uncertainty and prosper as a result of leaving then many of the other remaining countries will want to do the same. On the other hand, if we go downhill as a result of the vote, then the EU will be the stronger and we may be the ones that suffer.

There is no crystal ball but my hunch as the moment is that there has been no real planning for an Exit because nobody truly expected it. If I'm even remotely correct then that is a concern.

Daniel54

maxie014 wrote: »

Why is that daniel?in an election no petitions are considered,union votes,pay rises,anything as far as i can see,or is the eu referendum a special case?

Parliament is obliged to hold a debate on any formal petition with over 100k signatures ( votes on the debate are non binding on the government)

Elections concern a change of government .Once we have a duly elected parliament we can petition and lobby it as we wish.

savings_my_hobby

Even if the ballet had the one option to remain the majority would vote to leave - deal with it.

savings_my_hobby

Daniel54 wrote: »

Parliament is obliged to hold a debate on any formal petition with over 100k signatures ( votes on the debate are non binding on the government)

Elections concern a change of government .Once we have a duly elected parliament we can petition and lobby it as we wish.

What a waste of taxpayers money to have paid MP's wasting their time debating this.

take a day off.

savings_my_hobby

saver861 wrote: »

The petition is very unlikely to go anywhere - and I don't think it is right that something can be voted and revoted - unless there are significant changes or concessions. When the Scottish Independence vote went against them, those that favoured Independence were calling for another referendum the day after - not fair. However, they now do have a more valid reason for holding a second referendum on Scottish Independence. Very unlikely to happen though as long as oil prices stay as they are.

I'm not sure many expected there to be an Brexit - including the politicians supporting it. I do wonder how many of those took that line for personal publicity rather than true belief in the Leave principles. Boris took a long time to declare his hand - why would that be - other than his top job ambitions.

There is a danger here that Leave got the win - but may not get what they thought they were getting. The influx of migrants may not be stemmed anything like their expectation. Equally the 'surplus' money may not turn out to be surplus at all and in fact we might be in minus figures when it is all balanced out.

My concern is not so much the decision to Leave, but the uncertainty that the decision will cause - that is likely to do more damage than if we had remained.

My view from the outset was that a Leave vote could be the beginning of the end of the EU. That still might be true. If we survive the uncertainty and prosper as a result of leaving then many of the other remaining countries will want to do the same. On the other hand, if we go downhill as a result of the vote, then the EU will be the stronger and we may be the ones that suffer.

There is no crystal ball but my hunch as the moment is that there has been no real planning for an Exit because nobody truly expected it. If I'm even remotely correct then that is a concern.

The point is we can vote in a government that will implement the change we require at the next election or the next or the next without there hands being tied by the EU.

Daniel54

Crabman wrote: »

If only there had been a nationwide referendum where registered voters across the UK could have exercised their democratic rights.

That is nowhere disputed .It is my democratic right to petition the government and I would like the house of commons to debate this petition,which they are now obliged to do.