The EU: IN or OUT?

JohnRo

Thrugelmir wrote: »

English people spoke.

Regional analysis is a distraction. the over 65 years of age white English people and their prejudices voted, a majority in every other age group is wondering what the heck just happened.

benjus

Phaelok wrote: »

Hi all,

It's probably not the best place to post this, however I need some advice.

Given the outcome of us deciding to leave the EU, where does it leave EU workers in this country?

I have lived in this country all my life and have a French passport as my mother is French. Do I have to 'apply' for permanent residency?!?!

Nobody knows what will happen here for sure. However most people think it's very unlikely that EU residents in the UK will be forced out, as that will probably mean UK residents in the EU are also forced back here, and as very many of them are retirees who don't pay income tax and make extensive use of health services, the government would rather they stayed put.

You might want to apply for a registration certificate using this process: https://www.gov.uk/eea-registration-certificate - this may (or may not) be useful in the future when re-entering the UK. It is also (AIUI) a pre-requisite for applying for British citizenship, should you wish to do this in the future.

Thrugelmir

JohnRo wrote: »

Regional analysis is a distraction.

I think it's a reflection of the wider disengagement with Westminster politics and the concentrated spread of wealth. There's a vast number of people whose only connection to the EU is easy travel. Nothing more.

Taking the Uk only and excluding London. Vote was 56% out. 44% in.

Average age in the UK is already over 40 and rising. (Germany is heading towards 46 hence why migrants are welcome).

BucksLady

JohnRo wrote: »

He should but I think it's far more complex than DC and his party political wrangles. You're forgetting the groundswell of about 17 million voters, as it's turned out, who've effectively forced the issue and now driven the UK bus full of 64 million off a cliff, who've been persuaded that the laws of gravity will be suspended while they're at the wheel

The driver of the bus was Mr Cameron and the 17 million voters were the passengers who gave details of where they wished to go. Sadly the route wasn't as scenic as Mr C had wished and so he decided to leave those he had made a promise to. But fear not, a new driver will be along soon .

JohnRo

Thrugelmir wrote: »

I think it's a reflection of the wider disengagement with Westminster politics and the concentrated spread of wealth. There's a vast number of people whose only connection to the EU is easy travel. Nothing more.

I can't disagree with that, I'm sure there's all sorts of analysis that won't provide a definitive answer. The hyperbole is what done it.

Pincher

Phaelok wrote: »

Hi all,

It's probably not the best place to post this, however I need some advice.

Given the outcome of us deciding to leave the EU, where does it leave EU workers in this country?

I have lived in this country all my life and have a French passport as my mother is French. Do I have to 'apply' for permanent residency?!?!

Have a listen to today's MoneyBox on Radio 4.

They were talking Irish/British Dual Nationality allows free travel and work. So French/British? I had US Permanent Residence, gave it up for tax reasons. Dual Nationality is possibly even more of a tangle.

Funny story about a guy born in Canada, of Sri Lanka descent, but has British Passport AS WELL, because he grew up here. Anyway, well paid guy that he was, he wanted to build a house for his dad, but the house is in his name. He got a Sri Lankan passport with citizenship so he can have the right documents. This means he has THREE passports.

Normally, he travels on the British passport, and applies for a visa to go to Sri Lanka, but this one time he was in a hurry, so he arrived in Sri Lanka and entered using the Sri Lankan passport, with an entry stamp. On leaving, he was stopped by the airline desk. As he entered as a Sri Lankan citizen, his British passport is invalid. The "rules" requires that he has a visa for his destination for his Sri Lankan identity. He eventually got out, but it was weeks later.

There was a documentary, some young British guy with Israeli parents turned up in Israel for a short visit, and ended up serving military service. :rotfl:


A colleague employed in the UK decided to commute from Brussels, because his wife got a job with the EU. His salary was around £40k, and the department manager was happy for him to work from home, and pop in for meetings. And then Human Resource got wind of this. Being totally useless, they hired Coopers to handle it. By year two, Coopers was billing ~£50k a year for their services. Then Coopers warned the company that Belgium could potentially sue the company for colluding in social benefit fraud, because he was getting paid in the UK only, and pay UK National Insurance, not to Belgium. His wife was working and paying full tax in Belgium, of course. Coopers was obviously just saying it to avoid getting blamed in the microscopic chance of Belgium suing. Human Resource then moved heaven and earth to demand that he move back and live full time in the UK. Acrimony, dismissal, sue for unfair and constructive dismissal. Settlement out of court, find another job in Brussels. Department manager aghast: really good worker gone!

This is why sometimes it is better to live as an outlaw, because the bureaucrats merrily design rules to suit themselves, and woe betide those whose feet do not fit the shoes they are given.

badger09

JohnRo wrote: »

Regional analysis is a distraction. the over 65 years of age white English people and their prejudices voted, a majority in every other age group is wondering what the heck just happened.

I take exception to your stereotyping.

Both my husband and I are over 65, white English people.

We both voted Remain because we thought, and still think, it was best for the UK as a whole, both now and in the future.

We too are wondering what the heck happened. But, more importantly, what will happen now:(

JohnRo

BucksLady wrote: »

But fear not, a new driver will be along soon .

Rupert Murdoch?

badger09 wrote: »

I take exception to your stereotyping.

Don't shoot the messenger. It's not personal, the stats are what they are.

typistretired

I think they were annoyed at the word prejudices. A lot of people were also annoyed at despite the UK being a large contributor to the EU Budget we were being treated by the EU Commission like something scrapped off their shoes.

Nellybee

Hang on i nearly won the Euro lottery last night i was so close maybee i can have another free go and another and another until i win.Get over it London
its becoming a joke the thick racists as they were made out to be polled more votes.Do you think you are better than the rest because of where you live theres people from Hackney on TV who say they cant understand why and they say there highly educated, do they think all the rest of the countrys thick and not educated at all .Time to live in the real world and not the bubble Londeners live in now:j