The EU: IN or OUT?

talexuser

EnglishMohican wrote: »

How much of that £22million was originally our money, part of the 350million per week that was handed into the control of the EU and is here being generously handed back to us? All of it perchance?

The question I wonder is would our government have actually spent 22 mil on updating Manchester, or just on another stupid garden bridge across the Thames of no use and which nobody really wants?

colsten

Just a flying visit from me to promote the petition that has already attracted the most signatures ever for a UK parliamentary petition in the space of less than 2 days.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215



For those crying "bad loser" etc: For a change, I find myself agreeing with Farage: a decision of this magnitude shouldn't be made by a simple 52-48 majority of those that cast their votes. Leave has got less than 38% of the total electorate.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017

teddysmum

colsten wrote: »

For those crying "bad loser" etc: For a change, I find myself agreeing with Farage: a decision of this magnitude shouldn't be made by a simple 52-48 majority of those that cast their votes. Leave has got less than 38% of the total electorate.

Rather a one sided comment as you haven't quoted the even lower percentage for 'in'.


Also, as the whole thing has been a close to 50/50 ,if 'stay' won by an equally small majority, would we carry on having referenda for years, to no effect, except, meanwhile, being overcome by mass immigration and dictatorial laws ?

benjus

colsten wrote: »

Just a flying visit from me to promote the petition that has already attracted the most signatures ever for a UK parliamentary petition in the space of less than 2 days.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215



For those crying "bad loser" etc: For a change, I find myself agreeing with Farage: a decision of this magnitude shouldn't be made by a simple 52-48 majority of those that cast their votes. Leave has got less than 38% of the total electorate.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017

I voted Remain.

When I saw Farage say that about a possible 2nd referendum, I thought "what an idiot - nothing will ever shut him up, will it? He needs to respect the outcome of the referendum."

I intend to practise what I preach. I don't like the result, but I respect the democratic process. I think a decision needed to be made, and by setting minimum turnouts and majorities it's quite likely that it would never be made.

EnglishMohican

talexuser wrote: »

The question I wonder is would our government have actually spent 22 mil on updating Manchester, or just on another stupid garden bridge across the Thames of no use and which nobody really wants?

You can wonder but the answer you get will only be based on the personal bias of the person answering. So it is a bit of a waste of time spending too much time wondering this sort of thing.
I can well believe the Government would spend £22m on improving Manchester if it suited them and yes, I can believe that in other circumstances they might not. At £22m, it sounds more local government than national government in any case.

EnglishMohican

colsten wrote: »

For those crying "bad loser" etc: For a change, I find myself agreeing with Farage: a decision of this magnitude shouldn't be made by a simple 52-48 majority of those that cast their votes. Leave has got less than 38% of the total electorate.

The 38% is a total red herring. Those that did not vote have decided to leave it to the rest of us to take a decision and we have taken it.

Why is 60% or 75% the right number? I bet that if we did have a second referendum and Leave did achieve 60% of 75% then you would be back wanting it to be 65% of 80% or whatever it took to allow your side to win.

If you wanted to impose this sort of rule you should have mentioned it before the first referendum, not after you have lost, then you might not be open to the charge of bad loser.

JohnRo

For those crying "bad loser" etc

No time to protest vote a protest vote, Just about to start ploughing through the fine details of the comprehensive brexit plan...

Oh, finished, I'll head over.

Thrugelmir

JohnRo wrote: »

There are swathes of the north long abandoned by the Westminster gravy train that have never recovered from the Goddess's assault on industrial Britain and a lot of this vote is rooted there imo.

Remain only polled over 50%. In Gibraltar, Scotland , Northern Ireland and London.

English people spoke.

Phaelok

Hi all,

It's probably not the best place to post this, however I need some advice.

Given the outcome of us deciding to leave the EU, where does it leave EU workers in this country?

I have lived in this country all my life and have a French passport as my mother is French. Do I have to 'apply' for permanent residency?!?!

Pincher

If memory serves, the Scottish Referendum had an even smaller margin.

It sure opens a can of worms.