The EU: IN or OUT?

Mr_Costcutter

JohnRo wrote: »

Brexit is little more than vandalism.

I don't think so and feel David C should shoulder much of the blame for the situation we are now faced with. He gambled that the Scottish referendum would destroy Labour north of the border and won. He then gambled that the EU referendum would destroy his enemies inside the Tory party and lost.Others are now left to sort out the mess. It's a political shambles.

prosaver

i think the brexit camp done really well they had everone on tv against them...
imagine how they would of done if the BBC and sky was not bias ..there would off been a land slide for the out brigade

jimjames

bigfreddiel wrote: »

Maybe the REMAINERS should have actually shown us examples and evidence of where EU money is actually spent in the UK, how much was spent, where it was spent. And a similar example of how much we actually contributed in clear simple detail.

Now I guess there is no simple answer, but why not? It's just basic accounting isn't it?

Cheers fj

One example I've quoted before was the rebuilding of Manchester. UK government contribution £450k, EU contribution £22million.

HardCoreProgrammer

I voted out because I do not like being blackmailed by those in power saying that we must accept unlimited immigration, etc., or the economy will collapse, food will cost more, flights to Europe will cost more, war will start, etc., etc.

They tried to scare this country into accepting all the nonsense from the EU, but I know from personal experience the costs of staying in an abusive relationship. Good on the British to stick two fingers at the "!lite".

But I would not get too happy too soon. The EU has a habit of making people vote again and again, until they get the result they want

EnglishMohican

jimjames wrote: »

One example I've quoted before was the rebuilding of Manchester. UK government contribution £450k, EU contribution £22million.

How much of that £22million was originally our money, part of the 350million per week that was handed into the control of the EU and is here being generously handed back to us? All of it perchance?

jimjames

prosaver wrote: »

i think the brexit camp done really well they had everone on tv against them...
imagine how they would of done if the BBC and sky was not bias ..there would off been a land slide for the out brigade

How were they biased? Equal airtime and access doesn't seem like it.

Dird

jimjames wrote: »

One example I've quoted before was the rebuilding of Manchester. UK government contribution £450k, EU contribution £22million.

So the UK government basically gave £22m and then topped it up a bit

Scarpacci

jimjames wrote: »

One example I've quoted before was the rebuilding of Manchester. UK government contribution £450k, EU contribution £22million.

What would the UK government have done if we weren't members of the EU at the time? That's the great unknown there.

If we were paying into a redevelopment fund which we recognised would pay out in such a situation, it's not surprising we didn't pay much directly. It's like a home owner with an insurance policy. They pay a small excess knowing there's a fund that will pay out in such an emergency. They still paid for that coverage. You can hardly say the person wasn't taking care of their needs when the insurance company pays out.

That our European contributions had paid into a fund for such occasions, whether it was an earthquake in Italy or floods in France, doesn't mean the UK was deliberately sitting back from rebuilding Manchester. For one thing, does the EU just decide to send money to Manchester, or was the UK government active in requesting this money we'd contributed?

Nellybee

I voted out and happy i did .But what i have seen before and after the referendum makes me think the tv stations are stuck in the London Bubble.Before the referendum all there guests were remainers who probably have houses in London and are scared they loss a few quid and dont see the full picture so pedaled doom about brexit.Do the pollester ever ring anyone in The rest of the country. Now after the vote its the same onesided doom but this time its a laugh because they all seem to have tears in there eyes and cant get over the democratic vote .Not sure about ITV but Sky and the BBC are so biased its absurd and should be reported .But the best is Bloomberg and the moneymen from the city of London talk about depressing viewing im nearly ready to swing from a tree.

JohnRo

Mr_Costcutter wrote: »

I don't think so and feel David C should shoulder much of the blame for the situation we are now faced with.

He should but I think it's far more complex than DC and his party political wrangles. You're forgetting the groundswell of about 17 million voters, as it's turned out, who've effectively forced the issue and now driven the UK bus full of 64 million off a cliff, who've been persuaded that the laws of gravity will be suspended while they're at the wheel.

There are swathes of the north long abandoned by the Westminster gravy train that have never recovered from the Goddess's assault on industrial Britain and a lot of this vote is rooted there imo.

The exploitation of fears about EU oversight and migration are hyperbolic and in many cases imaginary, easy targets that can't respond and that have been used by the likes of our Nige to scapegoat a whole raft of other, very real problems and grievances in communities built up over many decades for which he offers no solution whatsoever, and which this decision in itself won't do a damned thing to fix.

The xenophobes will of course end this process where they started, blaming others.