The EU: IN or OUT?

blutto

Even now the Elite in Brussels are mobilising to make things difficult and are panicking that the French,Dutch,Danish and even the Germans will demand their own referendums on this unelected arrogant elite of self interest and greed! :T

They ask themselves just why it has come to this? Why ,as they moved the goal posts without asking a single EU Citizen and the only winners are multinationals lowering Labour costs and hiring in favour EEuropeans who are prepared to live with 10 others ona semi house in a London as its paradise to where they have come from!

Also lowering the living standards of the indigenous population has brought the rise of the likes of UKIP and the likes else where in Old Europe.

I have no symphthy for the PM as he tried to wrong foot from the start this whole process by making sure that the oink's as he would put it,do not get their way! Freedom! CEO's must be worried about their Brucie bonuses this year now !:rotfl:

Cameron was told to wait to 2018 to hold the vote but went for it on a gamble early in 2016 and one reason is to do with this incoming vote in the EU that would have been VERY uncomfortable for him to defend in 2018 on the penciled in referendum alas now had! So not to concern us now.Would have got for sure an out vote and with the oncoming migrants from Africa and Asia whom many are young unemployed men fleeing countries they do not themselves want to build up just like 'cap n hand attitude' !:eek:

So took the gamble early,lost it. Game over ,end of story!

Now it's look to the light,some pain for the short term but for the long term greatness! :T:T

bigfreddiel

You couldn't make it up, but they interviewed people at Glastonbury and they were all gutted, couldn't exactly explain why tho', and this is the unbelievable bit, one said the result was un-democratic! Huh! Was he having a laugh, high on skunk, or just plain stupid?

Cheers fj

gardner1

bigfreddiel wrote: »

You couldn't make it up, but they interviewed people at Glastonbury and they were all gutted, couldn't exactly explain why tho', and this is the unbelievable bit, one said the result was un-democratic! Huh! Was he having a laugh, high on skunk, or just plain stupid?

Cheers fj

think I saw same interview with the poor little rich kids including one obnoxious little s0d with a black eye:D

moneyfoolish

I voted Leave but I certainly don't feel elated today. I feel that I was on a loser whichever way I voted and feel nothing more than unease which is what I would also have felt had the result gone the other way. I see advantages and disadvantages in either path but the vote was devisive and Cameron was a fool to have a referendum. However, although I neither like nor trust him and will shed no tears for his demise, the thought of Boris Johnson taking over is even worse!

BananaRepublic

moneyfoolish wrote: »

I voted Leave but I certainly don't feel elated today. I feel that I was on a loser whichever way I voted and feel nothing more than unease which is what I would also have felt had the result gone the other way. I see advantages and disadvantages in either path but the vote was devisive and Cameron was a fool to have a referendum. However, although I neither like nor trust him and will shed no tears for his demise, the thought of Boris Johnson taking over is even worse!

I share your feelings about leave and remain.

blutto

First of all we have 3 months to wait to a new PM/leader of the Tory party is elected!

Then he or she will have to decide with the new "out negotiation team " ,what and how they want things to go and NEGOTIATE on OUR terms not the EU Elite's pathetic Terms.

The options.

New PM to call a snap election to get new mandate on him or herself's Government and mandate and with the terms of departure of the EU.

The new PM can either go with OUT or maybe try to get a NEW deal that could be offered as a last ditch appeal to the UK to stay in some form! This way appealing to Nationalists and keeping the UK as a whole! Why as 48% voted for in and it's not like in 1975 when two thirds were for in!

That cold kill off the SNP desire and who says those who voted remain in Scotland would vote to leave the United Kingdom? It would be a risk the First Minister will only go for if Sturgeon or whoever replaces her will have to consider.

Labour could get a new leader who could fight in a snap election for a new mandate for a new negotiation to remain but at MUCH enhanced appeal to the UK as a whole to vote for it! That means new Government with remain mandate with appeal to stay within the EU under new terms that they would have to except if they want the UK truly to remain.

2new leaders in the UK for Tory and Labour have options ,it depends how they want to play it. I still feel Boris and chums are still out for maybe a last ditch attempt to stay but with massive change if it can be brought,alas I think not as the French will never allow it.May be the Germans but not the Socialists of Spain.

I myself feel I want a break from this now but there's 2 to 4 years yet if no new UK election is called to do the talks,ie the new PM can sit maybe for years before acting on EU directive 50 that gives then the 2 years countdown to exit.I would hope he or she delays to frustrate the EU so they are more likely to accept our terms and we do not cave into there's as they want a quick exit as they do not want other countries questioning the Elite as many are now in France and Germany etc.

So as said many options and much time wasting still to come yet.I feel that half the leavers were not exstatic like myself who felt a little 'what a shame it came to this due to EU SOCIALIST IDIOTS ',for putting us in this position and also not anti European just anti-Brussles!

Basically there's 2 camps on the leave side:

1.Not Anti- European just Anti- Brussels. Could consider staying but want a better deal not the joke we were offered.Still time to see another proposal on the table on a final vote maybe?

2. Diehards.just want out forever.Hate the EU in everyway and want no reconsideration for change as love St.George etc and old Farage.

3. The new Nordic Union. Anglo-Saxon and Nordic countries only.No drapes and sponges from the Southern Europe. Basically Uk,Denmark,Sweden,Finland,Switzerland if they want to,Austria,Germany if they want to,Iceland and Malta.

Not to Greece,Spain,France,Italy,all E.European countries and Cyprus as too socialist and will never agree to Nordic policies for this new type of union. Some may say a new right wing union,but some like the idea of that? Basically no 'cap n hand types'.

Any EU dirty tricks with tariffs can be met back the same over next coming years as well ,so we can impose just as much pain too! Also if Spain starts to play up just boycott Spanish holidays and like with Germany just boycott buying German cars as we are their 2nd best exporter market outside the US.also we can imply tariffs on who we want if they want to go down that dirty road,


So many options to come over the next months,years.Now is just time to reflect and think what's best for us in new deals for trade and managed migration .

dingdong3000

https://www.facebook.com/jamiepeterthomson/posts/1630661250585843

JohnRo

24 hours in and the BREXIT wing and a prayer panic, back sliding and weasel words have already started. Time for popcorn.

Thrugelmir

JohnRo wrote: »

24 hours in and the BREXIT wing and a prayer panic, back sliding and weasel words have already started. Time for popcorn.

The EU Chainsaw Massacre is being made at Pinewood Studios as I type. Angela Merkel comes to a grizzly end apparently in the first film to be released next year after the German elections.

Dird

blutto wrote: »

Basically there's 2 camps on the leave side:

There isn't. You're against uncontrolled immigration or you're for remain