The EU: IN or OUT?

bigfreddiel

So my poll was correct - only 7% too high, but correct nevertheless - great day, it's going to be rough for a few weeks/months/years but in the long run it will be worth it

cheers fj

bigfreddiel

Today at about 7:00 am Tim Farron was being interviewed. He put on a good show of being really, really upset and almost said 'Its not what the public want.....', but realised halfway through saying it how stupid it was, so he corrected it woth more weasel words. Luckily Nick Campbell picked him up on that and he had to agree, it's what he public voted for - very amusing. These politicians just can't help themselves can they! fj

bigfreddiel

So the great general public has voted to leave the EU. Now I'm hearing how unfair it is to all those youngsters who will be denied opportunities in the EU. Well what percentage of youngsters voted, be interesting to know. I think it will be more like "....well I couldn't be bothered.....".

Cheers
fj

AndyBSG

So tired of seeing comments on social media today form the Remain brigade along the lines of

"Idiots who voted Leave don't have a clue what they've done"

Indeed, we don't know what we've done but those who voted Remain also don't know what the long term effect of remaining in the EU would have been yet they are acting like they are all the well informed oracles of the future while the rest are ignorant troglodytes.

I've probably read more about the EU and how it works in the last 6 months than most people will in a lifetime from the EFTA, Schengen agreement, how the EU Commissioners are appointed, how EU motions are voted for, passed and ratified, members rights to veto, free trade and free movement of citizens, etc, etc

Despite all that I have no idea how all this will pan out, what our relationship with the EU will end up like and if it will be a more or less beneficial relationship than the UK currently has with the EU.... And neither does anyone who voted Remain despite their claims to the contrary today that we have doomed the UK to the End Of Days

There are two things I know

- In the short term this going to hurt many of us financially

- As a nation we now have the power to accept, reject and negotiate any proposals the EU make to us. Something we did not have the power to do while we remained in the EU

Those are the only two things ANYONE knows and no one knows if in the long term that will lead to a better or worse future for the UK

jackieblack

AndyBSG wrote: »

So tired of seeing comments on social media today form the Remain brigade along the lines of

"Idiots who voted Leave don't have a clue what they've done"

Indeed, we don't know what we've done but those who voted Remain also don't know what the long term effect of remaining in the EU would have been yet they are acting like they are all the well informed oracles of the future while the rest are ignorant troglodytes.

I've probably read more about the EU and how it works in the last 6 months than most people will in a lifetime from the EFTA, Schengen agreement, how the EU Commissioners are appointed, how EU motions are voted for, passed and ratified, members rights to veto, free trade and free movement of citizens, etc, etc

Despite all that I have no idea how all this will pan out, what our relationship with the EU will end up like and if it will be a more or less beneficial relationship than the UK currently has with the EU.... And neither does anyone who voted Remain despite their claims to the contrary today that we have doomed the UK to the End Of Days

There are two things I know

- In the short term this going to hurt many of us financially

- As a nation we now have the power to accept, reject and negotiate any proposals the EU make to us. Something we did not have the power to do while we remained in the EU

Those are the only two things ANYONE knows and no one knows if in the long term that will lead to a better or worse future for the UK

Well said! :T

JohnRo

bigadaj wrote: »

Your comments don't appear to be ironic but they are.

The arrogance of the remain campaign has largely led to this result, incredibky negative and disaster striven. Again ironic that when opposed by a comedy coalition of gove, boris, farage et al the remain campaign seemed even more extreme than this combination of nutters and extremists.

Well we've got the comedy coalition of divisive nutters and extremists in the ascendancy now so, preemptive excuses aside, it's time to start counting the cost. Interesting times.

saver861

AndyBSG wrote: »

Despite all that I have no idea how all this will pan out, what our relationship with the EU will end up like

Yes - and I don't think any of the politicians do either! However, there is a difference between the man in the street not knowing and those at top level government not knowing!

Whichever way the vote turned out, there was going to be changes and those proposing for and against, would have to back up those proposals in the event of winning the referendum.

We now know the result of the ref. What is less clear is whether the next Prime Minister, be it Boris, Gove or whoever, will be able to bring forward the benefits they campaigned for.

The difficulty in any situation where you argue for a particular policy or position, if and when you are given the mandate for your arguments, then the more difficult part is delivering the goods.

atush

bigfreddiel wrote: »

So the great general public has voted to leave the EU. Now I'm hearing how unfair it is to all those youngsters who will be denied opportunities in the EU. Well what percentage of youngsters voted, be interesting to know. I think it will be more like "....well I couldn't be bothered.....".

Cheers
fj

Well I saw a lot of statistics about the vote, stripped out. the young were for remain (and they will have their employment prospects at risk) the 65+ were for leave. 50-64 were also leave, but at a lower %.

Graduates were for remain, the less well educated were for leave.

My son has just graduated law school and says his employment chances are greatly deminished as the industry will be taking on a lot less new people.

It will be, as the credit crunch was, an interesting time ahead.

saver861

atush wrote: »

Well I saw a lot of statistics about the vote, stripped out. the young were for remain (and they will have their employment prospects at risk) the 65+ were for leave. 50-64 were also leave, but at a lower %.

But .... the vote is completely private in the ballot box. Sooooo, its all pretty much guesswork. Given that the polls are getting it wrong so much nowadays there is very little reliability in these figures.

I'm sure they are broadly correct but the result was somewhat much closer than that.

BucksLady

atush wrote: »

Graduates were for remain, the less well educated were for leave.

I'm pretty sure that 'many' graduates voted to leave. Particularly those who called upon their 'common sense'.