The EU: IN or OUT?

bigadaj

saver861 wrote: »

But .... the vote is completely private in the ballot box. Sooooo, its all pretty much guesswork. Given that the polls are getting it wrong so much nowadays there is very little reliability in these figures.

I'm sure they are broadly correct but the result was somewhat much closer than that.

I would agree, at least the turnout was fairly high and if data were available it would probably show that the turnout amongst the young was a fraction of the pensioner generation, if you don't use your right to democracy then you can't complain too much if the result doesn't go your way.

saver861

bigadaj wrote: »

I would agree, at least the turnout was fairly high and if data were available it would probably show that the turnout amongst the young was a fraction of the pensioner generation, if you don't use your right to democracy then you can't complain too much if the result doesn't go your way.

Well it has always been the case that the young are much less likely to vote. However, in this case my instinct is that many who voted leave did not think it would actually happen!! I think many thought they were registering a protest vote.

I think also, many were unclear how to vote. Those that were unsure were more likely to be on the remain side and thus may have opted out of voting at all.

However, the high turnout does suggest that the majority of different groups used their vote, including the young!

bugslet

saver861 wrote: »

Well it has always been the case that the young are much less likely to vote. However, in this case my instinct is that many who voted leave did not think it would actually happen!! I think many thought they were registering a protest vote.

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there's actually someone said that on DT that they voted leave, thinking it would be remain and now they feel let down:rotfl:

saver861

bugslet wrote: »

there's actually someone said that on DT that they voted leave, thinking it would be remain and now they feel let down:rotfl:

Not sure what DT is. However, no matter how bad he or she feels, it won't be as bad as someone I was talking to just yesterday.

He told me his daughter worked in the City and that they had bought substantial billions of sterling when it was low in the last week on the basis of brexit showing as likely. However, using their own polls showing a Remain victory, and that of the seemingly resurgent Remain in the run up in the final week, they bought in.

I expect they are feeling a touch painful this morning!

jimjames

saver861 wrote: »

We now know the result of the ref. What is less clear is whether the next Prime Minister, be it Boris, Gove or whoever, will be able to bring forward the benefits they campaigned for.

Tied in with Farage's interview today when he said the £350m for the NHS was a mistake I think the chances of that happening are pretty close to zero.

atush wrote: »

My son has just graduated law school and says his employment chances are greatly deminished as the industry will be taking on a lot less new people.

Lawyers are one occupation that I'd expect to be thriving as a result of the vote.

bigfreddiel

atush wrote: »

Well I saw a lot of statistics about the vote, stripped out. the young were for remain (and they will have their employment prospects at risk) the 65+ were for leave. 50-64 were also leave, but at a lower %.

Graduates were for remain, the less well educated were for leave.

My son has just graduated law school and says his employment chances are greatly deminished as the industry will be taking on a lot less new people.

It will be, as the credit crunch was, an interesting time ahead.

Did your son vote?

Keep_pedalling

bigadaj wrote: »

Your comments don't appear to be ironic but they are.

The arrogance of the remain campaign has largely led to this result, incredibky negative and disaster striven. Again ironic that when opposed by a comedy coalition of gove, boris, farage et al the remain campaign seemed even more extreme than this combination of nutters and extremists.

As someone who was strongly in favour of remaining I don't think it was arrogance so much as incompetence and lack of leadership.

Whoever is going to have to do all the negotiation is going to have an extreamly difficult job and I really have not been able to pick anyone within the current government with the skill sets to do the job. Hopefully there is hidden talent on the back benches otherwise I see more incompetence and weak leadership to come.

Just dealing with the EU is difficult enough, but there is also the rest of the world to arrange trade agreement with as well as dealing with the SNP who truely do have some serious talent.

bigfreddiel

Maybe the REMAINERS should have actually shown us examples and evidence of where EU money is actually spent in the UK, how much was spent, where it was spent. And a similar example of how much we actually contributed in clear simple detail.

Now I guess there is no simple answer, but why not? It's just basic accounting isn't it?

Cheers fj

Mr_Costcutter

atush wrote: »

My son has just graduated law school and says his employment chances are greatly deminished as the industry will be taking on a lot less new people.

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I'm afraid an excess of university law courses has contributed to a glut of graduates and paralegals. Indeed, this country has around 200,000 lawyers and during the past few years more law companies have closed than opened.

savings_my_hobby

Poor old Jeremy Corbyn, bows down to the unions despite his principles and still gets the blame for something he stumbled into.

Tony Benn himself could not have mobilsed the Labour masses to support the EU, I bet most Labour voters voted out, the Labour PLP are so out of touch with the grassroots voters and will (if they succeed in ousting Corbyn) alienate the grassroots that elected him.

Cameron on the other hand walks off onto the sunset having lost the biggest gamble of his career, He thought he could put the EU issue to bed, curb the UKIP threat and re-unite his party with one move
- he thought wrong, serves him right.

I liked Cameron, I still do in a way but I can't have a Prime minister promise fundamental reform and then not deliver it.