The EU: IN or OUT?

Daniel54

POPPYOSCAR wrote: »

What exactly do you want them to debate?

The referendum result is not binding on parliament.That requires a separate vote

In advance of that vote they will now have the opportunity to consider the extent to which they are are bound by the referendum outcome

I expect the answer will be that they must abide by the vote in favour,albeit that it is a minority of the eligible electorate

saver861

Thrugelmir wrote: »

It was to give everyone a voice. The EU is far removed from the original trading block that the UK joined. Only people that ever had an opportunity to vote on the topic would be 60 by now. Only fair that the mandate be renewed with a democratic vote.

Yes - not unreasonable.

However, that is not why the vote was held. It was down to the infighting of the Tory party. This was David Cameron's intended solution to his party's problem.

I don't think it right that any party should be able to use such a significant issue as a means of sorting out their dirty laundry.

Daniel54

savings_my_hobby wrote: »

I can't see too many MP's supporting this affront to democracy, although I hear there is one Labour MP tweeting this drivel.

Why can't you just accept the result? we knew it would be close, we knew it could go either way so why cry?

The MP's are elected by the people to ratify the wishes of the majority of the people. You lost the argument, accused everyone on the other side of being small minded and/or xenophobic and clearly could not convince the majority of British people to remain.
And why would they want to?, why would you want to?

Read what I have written and cease falsely ascribing to me views I have not expresed

We have voted to derogate from the EU treaties

We have not voted to leave the single market nor have we voted to bar freedom of movement of labour

Where we go next is the key issue

I think it is a correct that parliament satisfies itself on the terms of the referendum before ratifying the outcome

kingrulzuk

What do we want: Another Referendum


When do we want: Every time we Lose

bugslet

Pincher wrote: »

When they actually realise that every other action will lead to loss of EU subsidy and therefore immediate strikes and protests, WHO is going to take it on? The "leader" will be the most hated figure in the whole country.

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Presumably they can carry on subsidising as before and still have some change left over. Politicians aren't entirely stupid, they know it isn't a blank sheet of paper and let's start from scratch.

POPPYOSCAR

Daniel54 wrote: »

The referendum result is not binding on parliament.That requires a separate vote

In advance of that vote they will now have the opportunity to consider the extent to which they are are bound by the referendum outcome

I expect the answer will be that they must abide by the vote in favour,albeit that it is a minority of the eligible electorate

Then what a waste of time and money.

bugslet

My German is limited, but I see in Frankfurter Allgemein there's a lead article about how the EU can't carry on as it is and it must reform. If it had shown some wish to change, in line with other countries not just the UK, I suspect Remain would have won. Its arrogance and intransigent attitudes alienated a lot of people.

I haven't ruled out the EU coming back and putting a proposal on the table and then Daniel might get his second referendum. People such as me who were Remain, but shifted to Leave, might be swayed.

EnglishMohican

Daniel54 wrote: »

.......albeit that it is a minority of the eligible electorate

You do not know that in any way - it is the sort of statistical juggling that gives statistics such a bad name. Given a sample size of 72%, it is perfectly reasonable to extrapolate the result to say that 52% of the entire eligible electorate voted to leave. It may not be right for all sorts of reasons but it is reasonable.

In any case, if somebody cannot be bothered to vote, I cannot be bothered to care about their view - even if I knew what it was.

Missus_Hyde

Daniel54 wrote: »

I expect the answer will be that they must abide by the vote in favour,albeit that it is a minority of the eligible electorate

Erm, perhaps I'm missing something very basic here, but I thought the result was a majority vote of the eligible electorate?

POPPYOSCAR

bugslet wrote: »

My German is limited, but I see in Frankfurter Allgemein there's a lead article about how the EU can't carry on as it is and it must reform. If it had shown some wish to change, in line with other countries not just the UK, I suspect Remain would have won. Its arrogance and intransigent attitudes alienated a lot of people.

I haven't ruled out the EU coming back and putting a proposal on the table and then Daniel might get his second referendum. People such as me who were Remain, but shifted to Leave, might be swayed.

Yes I agree, although I am not sure they will come back with a proposal to stay as other countries would inevitably want better terms which could lead to chaos.