The EU: IN or OUT?

EnglishMohican

Daniel54 wrote: »

I think it is a correct that parliament satisfies itself on the terms of the referendum before ratifying the outcome

When parliament originally agreed to hold the referendum, do you imagine that they did not satisfy themselves on the terms?

If so, why should they do a "better" job of it now?

bugslet

POPPYOSCAR wrote: »

Yes I agree, although I am not sure they will come back with a proposal to stay as other countries would inevitably want better terms which could lead to chaos.

Agree if it was just us, but as I understand it, there Is appetite for reform amongst several other countries . Of course the sticking point is getting all 27/28 members to agree, which is always the problem, everyone has a slightly different wish list.

bigadaj

bugslet wrote: »

My German is limited, but I see in Frankfurter Allgemein there's a lead article about how the EU can't carry on as it is and it must reform. If it had shown some wish to change, in line with other countries not just the UK, I suspect Remain would have won. Its arrogance and intransigent attitudes alienated a lot of people.

I haven't ruled out the EU coming back and putting a proposal on the table and then Daniel might get his second referendum. People such as me who were Remain, but shifted to Leave, might be swayed.

Yes, it's a possibility, the important thing is to bypass juncker et al and speak to the big governments, the eu has many similarities to Fifa.

In any walk of life then the important people and those that make decisions are those that pay the bills, on that basis any important discussions should be bilateral between the uk and Germany. The biggest and most successful European economies who finance the vast majority of the eu budget.

Mr_Costcutter

More drama this morning.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36632956

Westminster has had its wake up call and there is no hiding place for any politician.

Thrugelmir

saver861 wrote: »

Yes - not unreasonable.

However, that is not why the vote was held. It was down to the infighting of the Tory party. This was David Cameron's intended solution to his party's problem.

I don't think it right that any party should be able to use such a significant issue as a means of sorting out their dirty laundry.

Seriously. What a load of tosh.

Seems to be having the same effect on Labour judging by the news this morning anyway.

Politicians are of of touch with the people.

Thrugelmir

bugslet wrote: »

Agree if it was just us, but as I understand it, there Is appetite for reform amongst several other countries . Of course the sticking point is getting all 27/28 members to agree, which is always the problem, everyone has a slightly different wish list.

Reform of what? Everybody has their own agenda.

bugslet

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Reform of what? Everybody has their own agenda.

Well that's what I said Thrugelmir, everyone has their own wish list.

saver861

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Seriously. What a load of tosh.

You don't agree that the referendum was called by David Cameron to try to solve the European split within the Tory Party? I think you need to read up on it.

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Seems to be having the same effect on Labour judging by the news this morning anyway.

Labour has been in turmoil for some time. I'm not a one party person and I have voted for all three main parties at various times.

Any country needs two things - a strong government and a strong opposition.

Currently we have neither - and that is to the detriment of the country and its people.

missbiggles1

Missus_Hyde wrote: »

Erm, perhaps I'm missing something very basic here, but I thought the result was a majority vote of the eligible electorate?

Hardly.

52% of 72% is 37% - not what most of us call a majority.

System

Stop worrying. The problem has just gone away. We won't be leaving the EU. Nicola Sturgeon having just been rebuffed by the EU appears to be now saying that the devolved parliaments must agree to an EU exit. No agreement: then no exit. So we now have 68% of 5.5Million people, trying to hold the rest of the U.K. to ransom!!