Benefit changes from April.

Lanzarote1938

nannytone wrote: »

and that same pensioner would receive a top up of pension credit is her state pension was her only income giving her a total of approx £140 a week.
support group ESA is £109

No top ups as not her only income. I think you are quite economical with facts about ESA payments though. Do you receive just £109 a week or do you get more as you live alone etc? No pensioner over 65 can get any help with mobility. It is not all roses for a disabled pensioner you know, especially one who has made some retirement provision, however small.

missbiggles1

nannytone wrote: »

all local authorities ask for contributions towards the cost of care.... it isn't just pensioners that are charged. i pay most of my disability benefit towards the cost of my PA"S wages.
after all, that is what AA/DLA/PIP are intended for.
pensioners receive a higher amount of benefit and its that which makes them better off, couples with the fact that they aren't affected by the changes in housing benefit and council tax support.

i accept that he paid tax for 70 years but no one pays NI after retirement age

But I thought you said that your PA's wages were considerably more than you get in DLA?

What "benefit" are you talking about that is higher for pensioners than for those of working age?

Londonsu

nannytone wrote: »

all local authorities ask for contributions towards the cost of care.... it isn't just pensioners that are charged. i pay most of my disability benefit towards the cost of my PA"S wages.
after all, that is what AA/DLA/PIP are intended for.
pensioners receive a higher amount of benefit and its that which makes them better off, couples with the fact that they aren't affected by the changes in housing benefit and council tax support.

i accept that he paid tax for 70 years but no one pays NI after retirement age

well of course they do nanny its accepted so how is may dad being treated any BETTER then a disabled working person if of course he has to pay for his care out of his INCOME the same way as a working age disabled person does - that actually was my point , oh and its a pity that he didn't pay NI for the full 70 years as of course the amount of NICs you pay in a life time denote the amount of pension you get, that means of course his pension would have to go up in pro had he paid in for the full 70, so if you are bellyaching about pensioners getting what they do I am sure you wouldn't want their pensions to go up any further due to the length of time they actually work after pension age - which is why I stated he paid in NICS for 51 years not 70

nannytone_2

we are talking about income related nemefit!
which part of that sentence are you repeatedly failing to understand!

if i lived with someone else that had an income, i would get NOTHING!
i receive extra because i live alone.
a pensioner , with my exact disability benefits living alone would get more than i get.

i was lucky and managed to move to a 1 bed ... had i not i would be paying an extra £20 a week in rent and council tax than a pensioner living in the exact same property

missbiggles1

schrodie wrote: »

But their pension income will be increased by 2.5% when inflation is <1%.

Disabled peoples' income won't be increased at all.

Not all pension income is increasing by 2.5%, there's no rise in any additional pension so the overall rise is nearer 1%.

Londonsu

schrodie wrote: »

But their pension income will be increased by 2.5% when inflation is <1%.

Disabled peoples' income won't be increased at all.

And any INCOME based benefits will be decreased , which as I said in an earlier post, my dads PC went down in pro when he got his last rise my Husbands tax liability INCREASED when he got his

missbiggles1

nannytone wrote: »

we are talking about income related nemefit!
which part of that sentence are you repeatedly failing to understand!

if i lived with someone else that had an income, i would get NOTHING!
i receive extra because i live alone.
a pensioner , with my exact disability benefits living alone would get more than i get.

i was lucky and managed to move to a 1 bed ... had i not i would be paying an extra £20 a week in rent and council tax than a pensioner living in the exact same property

But many of them would receive no means tested benefits at all.

nannytone_2

missbiggles1 wrote: »

But I thought you said that your PA's wages were considerably more than you get in DLA?

What "benefit" are you talking about that is higher for pensioners than for those of working age?

of course her wages are more than my DLA, but i contribute towards it in the same way as pensioners have to.

flat rate, a pensioner has £140 a week ( made up of SRP and pension credit)
a disabled person on ESA support group has £109.
BOTH would be entitled to the same income related top ups, so the pensioner still has £30 a week more, plus winter fuel allowance, plus no rent top up, plus no council tax

nannytone_2

missbiggles1 wrote: »

But many of them would receive no means tested benefits at all.

we have to compare like with like.
you can't compare a pensioner on SRP with a private pension with someone on income related ESA... they're totally different things

missbiggles1

nannytone wrote: »

of course her wages are more than my DLA, but i contribute towards it in the same way as pensioners have to.

flat rate, a pensioner has £140 a week ( made up of SRP and pension credit)
a disabled person on ESA support group has £109.
BOTH would be entitled to the same income related top ups, so the pensioner still has £30 a week more, plus winter fuel allowance, plus no rent top up, plus no council tax

But most pensioners don't get pension credit - that's the point you seem to keep missing!

You also said that you didn't pay all your DLA towards her wages.