Benefit changes from April.

nannytone_2

you people don't seem to be able to read and understand.
we are only talking about
INCOME RELATED BENEFIT ... so not people that receive contributions based benefit ... be it JSA, ESA or state pension.

i dont is my whole DLA award for her wages ... the remainder, plus more, is used to pay petrol, parking and other disability related costs

missbiggles1

nannytone wrote: »

we have to compare like with like.
you can't compare a pensioner on SRP with a private pension with someone on income related ESA... they're totally different things

That's the point I keep trying to make - you keep lumping all pensioners in together "pensioners get this, pensioners get that" when it isn't the case.

You're also ignoring the number of ESA claimants who earn up to £20pw without its affecting their ESA and those who earn more (albeit temporarily) doing permitted work.

Bollotom

Just to chuck some more complications into the mix, a pensioner has to wait until 65-ish to get a state pension. Someone who is unfortunately disabled gets benefits from the date they are assessed as disabled. And my partner has a pension of £137.00 weekly so £3-00 short of the £140-00 you claim it to be. We are all going around the houses on this as, you quite rightly say, there can be no comparisons in certain instances.
On the other side of the coin I've just been watching a benefits style program and one couple get £40,000 annually. The partner works but she has so many children, so there are also extremes. We have to be careful we don't start slaughtering people who are deserving of the benefits just because we may be envious. But well done, Nanny on carrying forward a very interesting thread. :cool:

missbiggles1

nannytone wrote: »

you people don't seem to be able to read and understand.
we are only talking about
INCOME RELATED BENEFIT ... so not people that receive contributions based benefit ... be it JSA, ESA or state pension.

i dont is my whole DLA award for her wages ... the remainder, plus more, is used to pay petrol, parking and other disability related costs

Because only those who are disabled need to pay for parking and petrol!

All those pensioners who are less mobile because of their age (no mobility related benefits for pensioners) have to pay parking, petrol and mobility related expenses out of their pension and or benefits - perhaps that's why they get a bit more?

nannytone_2

missbiggles1 wrote: »

That's the point I keep trying to make - you keep lumping all pensioners in together "pensioners get this, pensioners get that" when it isn't the case.

You're also ignoring the number of ESA claimants who earn up to £20pw without its affecting their ESA and those who earn more (albeit temporarily) doing permitted work.

YOU are the one lumpimng all pensionners in together.
I've lost the count of the times i have said ' its only the ones receiving income related benefit' that I'm talking about.

many pensioners work too on top of benefits .... someone who had paid tax for 70 years certainly had to have worked past retirement age

schrodie

missbiggles1 wrote: »

Not all pension income is increasing by 2.5%, there's no rise in any additional pension so the overall rise is nearer 1%.

I'm not at the appropriate age yet but isn't the State pension protected by the so called triple lock?

nannytone_2

missbiggles1 wrote: »

Because only those who are disabled need to pay for parking and petrol!

All those pensioners who are less mobile because of their age (no mobility related benefits for pensioners) have to pay parking, petrol and mobility related expenses out of their pension and or benefits - perhaps that's why they get a bit more?

the fact that AA doesn't have a mobility component is an anomaly that i don't get either.
they say that mobility decreases as part of the raging process ( which it does) but at 65 most people should expect to be pretty physically active these days.

bAA is paid in a lot of cases, due to the effects of aging. the claimant has no specific disability, just difficulties caused by old age.

DLA is paid for people to enable them to be as active as they should be were it not6 for disability.

an older person would not receive the level of help i get because they only cover personal care.
apart from help with cooking and establishing what things are, i am capable of hacking my own personal care, but have the help to keep me as active as i already am... so yes, i do see the problem with care budgets .

talking about parking etc has given me another thought.
many places give pensioner discounts and carers get concessionary prices ...
as ithe disabled person, i pay full price for myself, plus a concessionary price for my carer..
so to do anything, it costs me more.

so i suppose you can offset the cost of petrol/parking against this

Lanzarote1938

I can't believe the envy felt about pensioners getting an extra couple of quid a week, less of course the 20% tax that many pay.

nannytone_2

envy?

no one is envious.
it is a response to the reaction that many feel to benefit cuts ( that don't affect pensioners)

i have said many times, and will say it again as you don't seem to be reading it ... i think pensioners deserve every penny they get, i am just responding to the people that want benefits ( especially income related benefits) to be 'fair'
what they really mean is that they want them to be cut even further.

i am just saying that if people want it to be 'fair' then i has to be 'fair' for everyone including pensioners.

so in fact, i am sticking up for those that are facing real hardship because if this supposed fairness and pointing out that true fairness ( which is what people claim they want) would hurt EVERYONE

missbiggles1

schrodie wrote: »

I'm not at the appropriate age yet but isn't the State pension protected by the so called triple lock?

It is, but the additional pension elements are linked to the CPI which is presently at 0% so there's no rise for that part of the pension.