Benefit changes from April.

merlin68

http://www.entitledto.co.uk/help/Benefit_Changes_April_2016

nannytone_2

presumably because the only increase is for pensioners?
everyone else has plenty of money and don't need any additional help?

missbiggles1

nannytone wrote: »

presumably because the only increase is for pensioners?
everyone else has plenty of money and don't need any additional help?

There isn't necessarily any increase for pensioners, although transitional arrangements will ensure that nobody's worse off in the short term.

Londonsu

nannytone wrote: »

presumably because the only increase is for pensioners?
everyone else has plenty of money and don't need any additional help?

Let me explain what happened last April when pensions went up my Dads Pension credit went down almost in pro so he lost some of his benefits , my pensioner husbands TAXABLE income went up and he paid more tax.


Getting a bit fed up with your pensioner bashing Nanny, its a shame as I have a lot of respect for your help in other respects but every single time benefits or the like are mentioned you are the first one to mention or blame pensioners.

Housing_Benefit_Officer

nannytone wrote: »

presumably because the only increase is for pensioners?
everyone else has plenty of money and don't need any additional help?

Pensioners vote - can't upset the grey vote.

nannytone_2

Londonsu wrote: »

Let me explain what happened last April when pensions went up my Dads Pension credit went down almost in pro so he lost some of his benefits , my pensioner husbands TAXABLE income went up and he paid more tax.


Getting a bit fed up with your pensioner bashing Nanny, its a shame as I have a lot of respect for your help in other respects but every single time benefits or the like are mentioned you are the first one to mention or blame pensioners.

im not a pensioner basher at all.

i just notice the glee that some people feel when benefits are cut or don't rise at all.
i merely pointed out that pensioners are protected whereas many other vulnerable groups are fair game.

HBO ... i always vote too ... shall i ring dave and tell him ?

Londonsu

nannytone wrote: »

im not a pensioner basher at all.

i just notice the glee that some people feel when benefits are cut or don't rise at all.
i merely pointed out that pensioners are protected whereas many other vulnerable groups are fair game.

HBO ... i always vote too ... shall i ring dave and tell him ?

I personally have never felt glee, the contribution element of pensioners income is of course protected but like someone of working age on benefits any increase in pension income is taken into consideration when income based benefits like pension credit are calculated , so how are pensioners on benefits being protected?, and like a working age person any increase in income results in higher tax liability so how is a tax paying pensioner being protected.

nannytone_2

they have been protected because they have been guaranteed a raise in benefit every year .
they also are exempt from the changes to housing benefit and council tax support ... and it is those changes that have affected vulnerable people of working age the most.
considering the basic amount of benefit a pensioner receives is almost double that a person of working age receives, then yes ... i find it unfair.

the majority of pensioners have indeed worked and contributed gut so have the majority of working age claimants.
the difference is that working age people are seen as leeches where as pensioners are deserving.

i dont resent pensioners a penny of what they receive, but that fact that people harp on about the cuts making it fair ...
well if fairness is the reason behind it all ... then be fair to EVERYONE.

dippy3103

nannytone wrote: »

they have been protected because they have been guaranteed a raise in benefit every year .
they also are exempt from the changes to housing benefit and council tax support ... and it is those changes that have affected vulnerable people of working age the most.
considering the basic amount of benefit a pensioner receives is almost double that a person of working age receives, then yes ... i find it unfair.

the majority of pensioners have indeed worked and contributed gut so have the majority of working age claimants.
the difference is that working age people are seen as leeches where as pensioners are deserving.

i dont resent pensioners a penny of what they receive, but that fact that people harp on about the cuts making it fair ...
well if fairness is the reason behind it all ... then be fair to EVERYONE.

In fairness there is about to be a generation that "retire" of people that have chosen (as opposed to being unable to before I get flamed) not to work whilst working age. They will get the same as someone that has grafted.

I do think it's fair AIP's go. Why should a pensioner be able to continue to claim after a massive windfall but not a severely disabled person (for example).

Londonsu

nannytone wrote: »

they have been protected because they have been guaranteed a raise in benefit every year .
they also are exempt from the changes to housing benefit and council tax support ... and it is those changes that have affected vulnerable people of working age the most.
considering the basic amount of benefit a pensioner receives is almost double that a person of working age receives, then yes ... i find it unfair.

the majority of pensioners have indeed worked and contributed gut so have the majority of working age claimants.
the difference is that working age people are seen as leeches where as pensioners are deserving.

i dont resent pensioners a penny of what they receive, but that fact that people harp on about the cuts making it fair ...
well if fairness is the reason behind it all ... then be fair to EVERYONE.

No they haven't been given a rise in BENEFITS the basic state pension without PC is not a benefit no matter how the DWP likes to spin it.


You seem to forget I am working age, I have paid in for 46 years (in July) but as I have said before I am not entitled to any income based benefits because of my husbands pension, now I accept this, as I KNOW my contributions are not there to pay for my benefits, but to pay the pensions of other people until I get to the age when I can claim my own (that's in 5 years time unless my pension age goes up again)


So maybe its me who should be complaining that someone who has only worked for 30 years gets a pension and I as a working age person who has worked for far longer gets NOTHING. so why aren't I ???


I agree however totally and utterly that disabled people or people with long term sickness should be protected, however for working age people with no barriers to work benefits should not be the default option and that's not calling them leeches

Londonsu

dippy3103 wrote: »

In fairness there is about to be a generation that "retire" of people that have chosen (as opposed to being unable to before I get flamed) not to work whilst working age. They will get the same as someone that has grafted.

I do think it's fair AIP's go. Why should a pensioner be able to continue to claim after a massive windfall but not a severely disabled person (for example).

Claim what??? the state pension is contribution based and not affected by windfalls, and when I helped my dad claim for PC etc we had to show income and savings and agree to let the DWP know if he had any change of circumstances as it could be construed as fraud . I understand also that certain benefits that disabled people can claim are also non means tested so would not be affected by a windfall.