Benefit changes from April.

nannytone_2

YOU are the one talking about the state pension.
we are talking about the means tested add ons.

those rise for pensioners but not for people of working age.

someone that has worked and contributed for a full working life would be eligible for the means tested add ons if they haven't any other source of income ( no private pension etc)

they haven't been hit by the changes to HB or council tax but have been receiving yearly increases in benefit, unlike those of working age.

i am aware that the pensions are changing and i don't know how this affects benefit rates as yet.

as i said previously, i don't resent pensioners a single penny of they money they receive, but find it unpalatable the way many consider working age claimants to be somehow unworthy, yet the second they reach pension age they become the salt of the earth!.

many women of my mothers age only worked until they married and then possibly took a part time job once their kids were offhand.
but they are deserving whilst a disabled person is getting more than they should.

if its going to be 'fair' then it had to be 'fair' to all regardless of age

Londonsu

nannytone wrote: »

YOU are the one talking about the state pension.
we are talking about the means tested add ons.

those rise for pensioners but not for people of working age.

someone that has worked and contributed for a full working life would be eligible for the means tested add ons if they haven't any other source of income ( no private pension etc)

they haven't been hit by the changes to HB or council tax but have been receiving yearly increases in benefit, unlike those of working age.

i am aware that the pensions are changing and i don't know how this affects benefit rates as yet.

as i said previously, i don't resent pensioners a single penny of they money they receive, but find it unpalatable the way many consider working age claimants to be somehow unworthy, yet the second they reach pension age they become the salt of the earth!.

many women of my mothers age only worked until they married and then possibly took a part time job once their kids were offhand.
but they are deserving whilst a disabled person is getting more than they should.

if its going to be 'fair' then it had to be 'fair' to all regardless of age

Please put on a link that says means tested benefits for pensioners will be increased, I know there will be changes under the benefit cap and universal credit but all the information I have read points to the fact that the only 'increase' may be CTR with pensioners getting the same support as they do now but working age people may get less depending on the council.

MABLE

Because i have made provision for my retirement I have two final salary pensions and the state pension. I did not want the government to support me.

Also working age people have the ability to increase their income over the years. Pensioners do not have the time or luxury to do that.

Lioness_Twinkletoes

nannytone wrote: »

im not a pensioner basher at all.

i just notice the glee that some people feel when benefits are cut or don't rise at all.
i merely pointed out that pensioners are protected whereas many other vulnerable groups are fair game.

HBO ... i always vote too ... shall i ring dave and tell him ?

Like the employed, for example? Not had a pay rise for five years now.

missbiggles1

nannytone wrote: »

YOU are the one talking about the state pension.
we are talking about the means tested add ons.

those rise for pensioners but not for people of working age.

someone that has worked and contributed for a full working life would be eligible for the means tested add ons if they haven't any other source of income ( no private pension etc)

they haven't been hit by the changes to HB or council tax but have been receiving yearly increases in benefit, unlike those of working age.

i am aware that the pensions are changing and i don't know how this affects benefit rates as yet.

as i said previously, i don't resent pensioners a single penny of they money they receive, but find it unpalatable the way many consider working age claimants to be somehow unworthy, yet the second they reach pension age they become the salt of the earth!.

many women of my mothers age only worked until they married and then possibly took a part time job once their kids were offhand.
but they are deserving whilst a disabled person is getting more than they should.

if its going to be 'fair' then it had to be 'fair' to all regardless of age

What specific "means tested add ons" are you talking about because I don't know of any?

Someone in your mother's situation wouldn't get her own pension anyway, she'd get a 60% pension based on her husband's based on his contributions.

FBaby

i just notice the glee that some people feel when benefits are cut or don't rise at all.

My net income hasn't increased a penny in the last 6 years despite a promotion that came with a gross increase. OK, this probably doesn't impact on me financially the way it would do to someone on benefit/low income, but it certainly does emotionally when what is expected of me has increased significantly.

People like me keep quiet though and get on with things whilst others constantly moan that they should be getting more out of the tax payers (who themselves don't get increases).

No glee from me, but no feeling sorry either.

Lanzarote1938

Isn't it strange that those on benefits always think that those of us 'lucky' enough to have a job are rolling in surplus income.

I bet nannytone has a much better income from her various benefits than she could ever have been able to earn. Certainly it is more net than I earn full time.

nannytone_2

no one is talking about comparing those on benefit with those that are employed.

we are speaking about working age income related benefit claimants as opposed to pension age income related benefit claimants.

MABEL ... disabled working age claimants also havee limited ability to increase their income, but people are generally happy to see their support cut, but pensioners are protected ( rightly so)
the point i make is that if cuts are necessary, they should be fair, rather than pensioners that don't receive income related benefit, and have sufficient to live on, should at least lose the uniiversal benefits at some point rather than leaving the poorest and most vulnerable in society to shoulder the burden

Lanzarote1938

nannytone wrote: »

no one is talking about comparing those on benefit with those that are employed.

Just as well really as I rather supect that in a lot of cases the people on benefits will be better off, time and moneywise, than those working.

nannytone_2

Lanzarote1938 wrote: »

Just as well really as I rather supect that in a lot of cases the people on benefits will be better off, time and moneywise, than those working.

that is mostly dependant on numbers of children, although the new benefit cap will be stopping this abuse for non working families