Benefit changes from April.

missbiggles1

nannytone wrote: »

parking has to be paid in chesterfield ( where i shop mostly) the bolsover area car parks are all free though, as is meadowhall ( though iu avoid it unless necessary)
funnily enough, the car needs petrol to get it to chesterfield and to my daughters ( she lives about 35 miles from me) as i live in a rural area, then the car is essential most days ( the buses would be more expensive than using the cawhen you consider the price of swimming for me and my PA, along with fuel, it costs all but £10 just to go swimming.

i know you think DLA is a fortune, but after I've paid my contribution to the council, swam once a week and visited my daughter ... the whole lot is gone!
so it covers me for 22 hours a week.... the other 146 hours of the week, i am mostly at home, mostly alone because most of my friends/family work.

I certainly don't think that DLA's a fortune (and neither am I accusing you of misusing it) but many of the things you list aren't specifically to do with disability. Everybody has to go shopping, and many people exercise and visit relatives.

Hopefully you'll be able to save quite a bit when you get your guide dog - particularly if you can teach him to swim!:)

nannytone_2

but it is directly to do with disability.
if i could see, i could do things alone.
by far the biggest chunk of my DLA goes on my PA'd wages, and even after o get thhe dog i will still need her.
just as the dog can't swim with me , she also wont be able to help me cook or read mail . she also wont be able to help me shop as she wont be able to tell me what i am buying.
she will enable me to walk independently for the first time in years though

the way co funding works isn't that you pay a fixed hourly rate, it is a set amount that is calculated on income ... so whether my PA works 10 hours a week or 50 hours a week, my contribution is still the same

Londonsu

wellynever wrote: »

I've noticed you seem very angry with pensions, Maybe you should have planed better for yore retirement, That way you would have no problem having to be able to retire at 55,

But you seem to keep on about your father working for at least 200 years, three jobs a week,

No person needs to work 3 jobs unless they have over stretched themselves because of children or too much buying a property, They could of decided to have less children so they did not have to work millions of hours a week,

Pensioners are game, Grey vote means nothing any more,

I have the guts to stand up to the likes of this person, Not once have one of them sorted out a pension fund but yet it's you think it's disabled and sick who happen to be a problem.

Actually I have a very good private pension thank you very much I have made excellent provision for my retirement and in fact could retire now if I want to MY personal pension plans have nothing to do with my opinions on pensioners in general, because unlike some here I am not complaining because someone is getting MORE than I have get/have got and have a sense of unfairness because they are not


And oh yeah you sneer at my dad who raised a family BEFORE benefits were freely available apart from family allowance and did a very good job at it actually and I am very proud of him and the standards he instilled in me and my sisters.


If you think no-one needed to have three jobs in a working class area in the 50s and 60s I would suggest you bone up on your social history.


I actually agree with nanny that disabled people should be exempt from the cuts, I agree with her that disabled people need a better deal, but she seems to blame pensioners for the fact that they have not and I am sorry that's is not on as far as I am concerned.


Oh and BTW, my dads dad was a part of the labour movement in the 1920s, my dad would no more vote tory than fly to the moon and back.


Oh and I have never said I think the sick and disabled are a problem





However I see from your posting history you personally think pensioners are the problem .





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nannytone_2

i am NOT blaming persioners.
how many times do i have to say it ! THEY DESERVE WHAT THEY GET.

what angers me is that far too many see the pensioners as 'the deserving' whilst disabled and unemployed are the scroungers or workshy.

some are, and some pensioners contributed as little as possible and spent every penny they earned and quite happily milk the system for all they can get.

just because someone reaches retirement age doesn't automatically mean they have led a righteous life and are untouchable unlike the disabled who are facing massive cuts in some circumstances

missbiggles1

nannytone wrote: »

but it is directly to do with disability.
if i could see, i could do things alone.
by far the biggest chunk of my DLA goes on my PA'd wages, and even after o get thhe dog i will still need her.
just as the dog can't swim with me , she also wont be able to help me cook or read mail . she also wont be able to help me shop as she wont be able to tell me what i am buying.
she will enable me to walk independently for the first time in years though

the way co funding works isn't that you pay a fixed hourly rate, it is a set amount that is calculated on income ... so whether my PA works 10 hours a week or 50 hours a week, my contribution is still the same

I wasn't including your PA's wages - I was talking about the travel costs and expenses to go shopping, visiting etc.

Hopefully your guide dog will also enable you to use public transport independently as well, meaning that you need fewer hours. Presumably many people use a guide dog to go shopping or why else would supermarkets and other shops allow them in?

I think you should expect it to make more of a difference to your life than just to be able to walk independently.

nannytone_2

as i said ... it will cost me the same, regardless of how many hours she works.

as for visiting my daughter ... a bus to chesterfield takes 1 hour 20 minutes each way ( even though its only 9 miles) train to barnsley takes 20 minutes each way, then a bus the other end takes almost an hour each way.
add on the walks between the bus stops and train stations and it adds up to almost 6 hours of travelling and not much of a cost saving over the car.. and thats if i can get trains to fit in with the hourly bus service ( last bus is at 6 05 .... so i would have to leave my daughters before the kids get in from school to catch that last bus)
i know which i will choose

as for shopping. ... once i get the dog i will be able to pop out on my own for milk and bread etc ... but i wont be able to do a food shop without help, or buy clothes or things like that.

even the guide dog trainer said that a guide dog is really only a mobility aid and a companian

nannytone_2

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Londonsu

nannytone wrote: »

i am NOT blaming persioners.
how many times do i have to say it ! THEY DESERVE WHAT THEY GET.

what angers me is that far too many see the pensioners as 'the deserving' whilst disabled and unemployed are the scroungers or workshy.

some are, and some pensioners contributed as little as possible and spent every penny they earned and quite happily milk the system for all they can get.

just because someone reaches retirement age doesn't automatically mean they have led a righteous life and are untouchable unlike the disabled who are facing massive cuts in some circumstances

First of all pensioners contributed what the state required in tax and NICS the same as people today so I don't see where you get your 'contributed as little as possible' comes in, as for milking the system, according to age uk 1 in 3 pensioners do not claim the pension credits they are entitled to, either because they don't know they can or are too proud to claim, I know for a fact that my dad used all his savings to pay his rent when he finally had to give up his min wage cleaning job and was in desperate need until he finally told us what he was doing and we helped him claim.


No one is saying that people are saints when they reach retirement age, but neither are they the devil or the enemy.


I agree with you and I have said this several times that disabled people deserve what they get and more and I don't like the cuts any more than you do (even though at the moment they don't affect me)


But every time benefits are mentioned especially benefit cuts you are amongst the first to mention pensioners.

nannytone_2

i mention pensioners because when cuts like the bedroom tax and the changes to council tax came up, people said ' well its fair. people in private lets often have to top up their rent'
thats all good then, but unless EVERYONE has to pay, it clearly isn't fair is it?
they justified it becausee people had a spare bedroom and they needed to free them up.
but the largest group of under occupiers by far are pensioners.
so a disabled person has to pay or move, but a pensioner can stay?
where is the fairness they all harp on about?

i used the wrong words when i said 'contributed' as little as possible.
i meant they spent every penny they earned and put nothing aside ofr their old age.
my parents aren't well off, but they made pension provision for themselves and are comfortable though not extravagant.
my ex in laws both worked, had foreign holidays , every new gadget as it arrived on the market and were no strangers to the pubs and eateries. and never put anything aside.
their income was topped up to a similar level as my parents via income related benefit.

so even though they had a higher income when working they chose to live a lifestyle that meant they had no spare.

and there are plenty like that

Lanzarote1938

nannytone wrote: »

i meant they spent every penny they earned and put nothing aside ofr their old age.
my parents aren't well off, but they made pension provision for themselves and are comfortable though not extravagant.
my ex in laws both worked, had foreign holidays , every new gadget as it arrived on the market and were no strangers to the pubs and eateries. and never put anything aside.
their income was topped up to a similar level as my parents via income related benefit.

so even though they had a higher income when working they chose to live a lifestyle that meant they had no spare.

and there are plenty like that

Indeed there are and many more who wish they hadn't gone without things so they could save for retirement. It is clear that those who didn't save any extra are in quite a few cases better off than those who have just enough to ensure they are not eligible for any means tested benefits.
There are many pensioners that would like the help with optical and dental costs, council tax etc that their fellow pensioners who spent all their money enjoying themselves get.