If we vote for Brexit what happens

setmefree2

G20 Summit: Japan warns it will take banks and car makers out of UK - unless it gets Brexit trade deal

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/04/g20-summit-us-president-barack-obama-says-britain-was-wrong-to-v/

Hmmmm not sure this would make me want to buy a Japanese car....

Moby

setmefree2 wrote: »

No - we're owned by this dude





http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-may-rocked-at-g20-summit-by-triple-warning-of-brexit-fallout-a3337036.html

It's going to go on and on like this for the foreseeable future. A complete waste of energy....we should never have had that referendum....far too complicated an issue to be answered by a simplistic YES N0 answer!

mwpt

setmefree2 wrote: »

More likely, we will see a rise in UKIP voters....which will do us no good either.

There is no fudge to be had here. It will tear the Tories apart too. Remember the majority of the Tory party members are Eurosceptics.

I feel you might be mistaken, and the term fudge is a misnomer in this context. UKIP had years to try and win power in a democratic system but never did. My bet is they never will, because despite brexit giving a loud voice to a lot of people who are anti-immigration, there are also a lot of moderate people who voted brexit for other reasons.

Once you combine those moderates with the remain voters, what is best for the country might well be what you call a "fudge" but what is really quite typical of the UK, a middle ground approach, much like most of our politics.

CKhalvashi

setmefree2 wrote: »

More likely, we will see a rise in UKIP voters....which will do us no good either.

There is no fudge to be had here. It will tear the Tories apart too. Remember the majority of the Tory party members are Eurosceptics.

I doubt UKIP will form a majority in 2020, or probably 2025.

Immigration isn't the key area here; access to the free market plus the ability to negotiate our own trade deals = economy probably soars.

More businesses need to be actively encouraged to export, this is the real issue here (cue a load of rhetoric about businesses trading not governments from a person who doesn't understand the basics of economics, which will be duly ignored)

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

It's going to go on and on like this for the foreseeable future. A complete waste of energy....we should never have had that referendum....far too complicated an issue to be answered by a simplistic YES N0 answer!

Disagree.

The result was clear. There can be no fudge. Or we'll end up with UKIP as a government.

People will get what they want...that is democracy.

CKhalvashi

mwpt wrote: »

I feel you might be mistaken, and the term fudge is a misnomer in this context. UKIP had years to try and win power in a democratic system but never did. My bet is they never will, because despite brexit giving a loud voice to a lot of people who are anti-immigration, there are also a lot of moderate people who voted brexit for other reasons.

Once you combine those moderates with the remain voters, what is best for the country might well be what you call a "fudge" but what is really quite typical of the UK, a middle ground approach, much like most of our politics.

I feel the majority were probably about immigration, but overall I feel that weighing

More than 5% of anything = majority of what the remainers want.

The only mandate is to leave the EU.

I see things remaining very similar to now, as that will be what a majority want overall.

Sorry if it doesn't please the hardcore Brexiteers, but that's how it is IMO.

setmefree2

mwpt wrote: »

I feel you might be mistaken,

I'm not. If May fudges this - she will be chucked out by her own party - who are majority Eurosceptic.

setmefree2

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Immigration isn't the key area here;

It is a key issue - it's not the only issue but it's an important one.

setmefree2

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I see things remaining very similar to now, as that will be what a majority want overall.

The majority didn't vote for things to vote the same???? The majority voted for change. If May doesn't deliver that change she will go.

The Tories are ruthless - look how they treated maggie.

CKhalvashi

setmefree2 wrote: »

The majority didn't vote for things to vote the same???? The majority voted for change. If May doesn't deliver that change she will go.

The majority voted to leave the EU.

Not to stop FoM, not to stop Britain's access to the common market, just to leave the EU, nothing more, nothing less.