If we vote for Brexit what happens

setmefree2

CKhalvashi wrote: »

The majority voted to leave the EU.

Not to stop FoM, not to stop Britain's access to the common market, just to leave the EU, nothing more, nothing less.

Don't be daft.

setmefree2

Theresa May rejects points-based immigration system

Why? This is what we use for people outside the EU?

wotsthat

setmefree2 wrote: »

I'm not. If May fudges this - she will be chucked out by her own party - who are majority Eurosceptic.

Not sufficiently Eurosceptic enough to vote for a 'leave' leader though.

Don't you think the Tories have had enough of tearing themselves apart about Europe? It would be somewhat ironic if they disintegrate because of Europe AFTER leaving the EU.

No, as per some posters here just leaving the EU will probably be enough for now.

mwpt

setmefree2 wrote: »

I'm not. If May fudges this - she will be chucked out by her own party - who are majority Eurosceptic.

If that does indeed happen, then it will be an unhappy vagary of circumstance. We are in the unfortunate position where we do not have a credible opposition party to the Tories at the moment, so basically brexit is whatever the Tories deem it to be.

I really do feel that the majority of this country are moderate and go for centre ground politics. I mean, 48% of people voted to stay in the EU knowing full well this meant continued freedom of movement. We only need a few percentage of people from the leave voters to be ambivalent to or pro freedom of movement for that to be what the country wants.

setmefree2

wotsthat wrote: »

Not sufficiently Eurosceptic enough to vote for a 'leave' leader though.

The members didn't get to vote. Andrea Leadsom stood down because she would have won the membership vote and then she would have ended up like Jeremy Corbyn with the membership supporting her but the MPs supporting May.

wotsthat wrote: »

Don't you think the Tories have had enough of tearing themselves apart about Europe?

No. They have been at this for 23 years.

No, as per some posters here just leaving the EU will probably be enough for now.

It won't be. It will be a horrible outcome.

mrginge

mwpt wrote: »

If that does indeed happen, then it will be an unhappy vagary of circumstance. We are in the unfortunate position where we do not have a credible opposition party to the Tories at the moment, so basically brexit is whatever the Tories deem it to be.

I really do feel that the majority of this country are moderate and go for centre ground politics. I mean, 48% of people voted to stay in the EU knowing full well this meant continued freedom of movement. We only need a few percentage of people from the leave voters to be ambivalent to or pro freedom of movement for that to be what the country wants.

Still spouting this same old tired garbage I see.

wotsthat

mrginge wrote: »

Yes they truly own us with their massive majority :doh:

There's no opposition worth talking about and most people couldn't name the leader of UKIP or the Lib Dems.

I can see the Tories picking up votes if they go for a pragmatic soft exit from remainers. And, let's face it, you'll be voting Tory in 2020 because you're owned - you have no choice.

The only chance of a leftist government in 2020 is if the Tories decide to oust May, conduct a damaging internal war, and install a hard Brexit leader. The Tories destroying themselves over Europe is Corbyn's dream.

wotsthat

setmefree2 wrote: »

The members didn't get to vote. Andrea Leadsom stood down because she would have won the membership vote and then she would have ended up like Jeremy Corbyn with the membership supporting her but the MPs supporting May.

Leadsom showed herself to be politically very naive and saved herself further embarrassment by standing down. The idea she put herself forward and then withdrew because she thought she might win sounds, I don't know, somewhat unlikely.

setmefree2 wrote: »

It won't be. It will be a horrible outcome.

It won't be the final outcome though will it? It's going to take years before the UK is extricated from Europe so taking baby steps and being flexible might be the order of the day.

setmefree2

wotsthat wrote: »

The idea she put herself forward and then withdrew because she thought she might win sounds, I don't know, somewhat unlikely.

She would have won the membership vote and would have become leader. However, May had the majority backing of MPs - so she would have been in the same position as Corbyn. For that reason, Leadsom decided to stand down.

wotsthat wrote: »

It won't be the final outcome though will it?

No. Because the voters will get what they want. That's democracy.

wotsthat wrote: »

it's going to take years before the UK is extricated from Europe so taking baby steps and being flexible might be the order of the day.

Permanent uncertainty.

Just Great.

Cameron tried to fudge this - look what happened to him.

setmefree2

Britain is easily capable of thriving outside the European Union, one of the world’s leading economists has insisted in an interview with The Daily Telegraph.
“There’s no reason why not”, says Joseph Stiglitz, a Nobel prize winning economist and something of an economic guru to the political left. “But it depends on how Europe responds, and how the negotiations go.
“There are two scenarios. If Europe adopts the Juncker approach, which is to say we’ll cut off our nose to spite our face and punish Britain for leaving, then that’s not so good.
“But it really wouldn’t be in Europe’s interests to do this. The US is actively engaged in Europe, in manufacturing, services and finance, and our trading relationship with Canada, where we have a free trade agreement, but no single market and no free movement, works well, actually really well, for Canada.
“So you should be no worse off than Canada is with the United States. I find it quite hard to believe that you [Britain] would be treated worse by Europe than the US or Canada, or Canada is by the US. This would be hard to justify”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/09/04/britain-can-leave-eu-and-still-thrive-says-stiglitz/