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If we vote for Brexit what happens
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TrickyTree83 wrote: »I am. If that is indeed the case I'm getting exactly what I wanted!
Fantastic!
Same.
It sounds like a very sensible settlement.
Hamish, if you want closer political union with the EU then you're in a small minority.“I could see that, if not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled.” - P.G. Wodehouse0 -
If construction so great, why are the construction company
share prices down on a day when Ftse rises 2.2% ?
I don't know, similarly banks down iirc. Saying great figures for construction may have been a bit of an exaggeration, as really they've just stabilised. Far better than predictions however. Same for the services sector.
The 'DIY recession' we were told would happen is looking increasingly unlikely.“I could see that, if not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled.” - P.G. Wodehouse0 -
Same.
It sounds like a very sensible settlement.
Hamish, if you want closer political union with the EU then you're in a small minority.
The UK already had an exemption from ever closer union agreed (now redundant given the Brexit vote) and of course could veto any new members joining, an EU army, etc.
So if we keep paying EU fees, stay in the single market, keep more or less similar free movement of people, etc, that would certainly keep me happy - but it's absolutely not what most Brexiteers thought they were voting for.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »The UK already had an exemption from ever closer union agreed (now redundant given the Brexit vote) and of course could veto any new members joining, an EU army, etc.
So if we keep paying EU fees, stay in the single market, keep more or less similar free movement of people, etc, that would certainly keep me happy - but it's absolutely not what most Brexiteers thought they were voting for.
But outside of the EU we won't need to worry about an EU army, or closer political integration, adoption of the Euro. These EU bods have a track record of rowing back on rules, particularly fiscal rules. I'd rather have the single market membership without the farce of the political union, loose or not.
Back to a trading relationship. If that includes the 4 freedoms then yes some people who voted purely on the basis of immigration will be disappointed. But for me and probably some other leave voters, blocking immigration was not the prize.
A large (see populous) country with one foot in the EU and one foot outside it, well placed to become the trading super-hub of Europe.0 -
More tangibly, the Germans/Italians/French will still want to sell to us.
Everyone's talking as if it's a one-way street and the UK is holding out a begging bowl!
We export 220bn to the EU and have a population of 65m, the EU exports 290bn and has a population of 443m, so our exports are £3380 per head of population, and theirs £655. We're 5 times more exposed to a trade war than they are.0 -
We export 220bn to the EU and have a population of 65m, the EU exports 290bn and has a population of 443m, so our exports are £3380 per head of population, and theirs £655. We're 5 times more exposed to a trade war than they are.
Break that down into the constituent EU countries for me. Lets see how much trade we do with Estonia rather than Germany.0 -
TrickyTree83 wrote: »But outside of the EU we won't need to worry about an EU army, or closer political integration, adoption of the Euro.
We didn't need to worry about any of those things anyway.
We had a veto or exemption for all of them.
What we do now need to worry about is our loss of veto power within the EU for future changes to rules - even if we do stay fully in the single market we'll end up worse off than if we'd stayed a full member of the EU - because we can no longer influence policy.
But if that's the best we can now get then we'll just have to deal with it.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
TrickyTree83 wrote: »But outside of the EU we won't need to worry about an EU army, or closer political integration, adoption of the Euro. These EU bods have a track record of rowing back on rules, particularly fiscal rules. I'd rather have the single market membership without the farce of the political union, loose or not.
Back to a trading relationship. If that includes the 4 freedoms then yes some people who voted purely on the basis of immigration will be disappointed. But for me and probably some other leave voters, blocking immigration was not the prize.
A large (see populous) country with one foot in the EU and one foot outside it, well placed to become the trading super-hub of Europe.
Completely agree with this, and I was a Remain voter.
My main concern was that the government was going to significantly mess it up in the event of a leave vote.
If we can keep access to the common market, FoM, and get the ability to negotiate our own trade deals, all I can see is win-win-win IMO.
My largest concern at the moment is whether the gov are going to try to backtrack on anything that's been said in this, because if so, it's going to be downhill from there.
The German government (who are by far going to be the most influential in this) have already sort of agreed to the emergency brake, so it could be relatively easy to deal with now.💙💛 💔0 -
TrickyTree83 wrote: »But outside of the EU we won't need to worry about an EU army, or closer political integration, adoption of the Euro. These EU bods have a track record of rowing back on rules, particularly fiscal rules. I'd rather have the single market membership without the farce of the political union, loose or not.
Back to a trading relationship. If that includes the 4 freedoms then yes some people who voted purely on the basis of immigration will be disappointed. But for me and probably some other leave voters, blocking immigration was not the prize.
A large (see populous) country with one foot in the EU and one foot outside it, well placed to become the trading super-hub of Europe.
If this is the model of brexit that our government pursues, then I think we will have found common ground for the majority of people in the UK. But there are going to be a lot of unhappy leave voters still.0 -
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