If we vote for Brexit what happens

gfplux

Rinoa wrote: »

Australia appears to be be a prosperous country Gen.

How do they achieve this without being in the EU?

When the UK turned away from the Commonwealth when we joined the EU, Australia and New Zealand had to find new markets and partners. They turned to their close by neighbours and have prospered since. (yes they have had their difficulties too)
It was a painful transition but they had no choice, just as the UK will have if there is a Brexit.

gfplux

Sapphire wrote: »

It won't 'cure refugees', but it may prevent non-EU, illegal migrants from being foisted on us with dire threats from Merkel and Juncker, as per the attempt last year, due to Merkel's 'welcome' to all and sundry from Africa and the Middle East, and even countries such as Pakistan and Myanmar – on behalf of the EU, without consulting other EU countries, which was among other things grossly undemocratic.

We can close our borders and remove illegal migrants who do break into Britain and have no business being here.

Personally, I would much prefer taxpayers' money be spent on helping (for example) very aged British people, who have contributed throughout their lives, but many of whom are now in dire straits and left to rot at home, or put into horrible homes where they are given very poor care (I have seen this happen myself).

Which MP in the Brexit camp has outlined these new rules on immigration that you are suggesting

gfplux

Sapphire wrote: »

Indeed – but what we do not need is illegal migrants from countries such as Somalia, who are likely to contribute little economically and be all at sea in our society (without the ability or desire to integrate), but will be a massive economic drain on taxpayers (there are calculations as to how much taxpayers' money it takes to sustain just a single migrant throughout his/her whole life, and the amounts are enormous). I believe that any migrants (from the EU or illegal non-EU ones) who do not contribute to our society should not be here.

There is in any case a limit to how much the population of our small island should increase via immigration. The infrastructure is already very badly affected by immigration in several areas.

Once again, which politician is championing these new "rules" that you describe.
You appear to think that voting for Brexit will magically solve all the immigration issues that concern you so much.

prosaver

antrobus wrote: »

Can't we just get some peasants to do it for us? We have at least one volunteer in the form of prosaver. Personally I don't fancy spending twelve hours a day working in a muddy field, but if he's willing to do it, I ain't gonna argue.

well if your not as fit as me, what can I say:beer:

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

We can continue playing our part in the global economy with London and the SE being an engine of growth (which will attract people, both indigenous and foreign).
Or we can disengage from the world. Yes, houses would be cheap and roads empty. If you think that will make us better off, you're deluded.

I think the ability to live in a modest home does make people off.
Indeed I would say housing has a major impact on the quality of peoples lives : indeed I would guess it does that for you and your family too.

No reasonable person would say that trading on an equal basis with the whole world is withdrawing from it, by comparison to living behind high tariff barriers in the EU.

Ever expanding population reduced the quality of life for the people of the UK.

gfplux

Nick_C wrote: »

There was a time when people flocked to Spain and the Algarve for sunshine and a low cost of living, but those days are long gone. Spain and Portugal are too expensive now, and the property scams in Spain have frightened many people off.

People looking for holiday or retirement homes in the sun are now more likely to be looking at Florida, Goa, or Australia.

If you look at the top 20 countries for Brits abroad, six of them are in the EU with an estimated British population of 1.2 million. The US alone has 678,000 British residents. Add in Australia, Canada, and New Zealand, and you have another two million, but of course some of those people will be dual nationals born in those countries (as will some of the Brits living in the EU).

Even without the EU we would have people living and working abroad (and foreigners living and working here). There would just be better control.

You say better control (of immigrants) any suggestions on how that would happen.

frugaldad

The short answer is that if we exit the EU, we stand to lose trillions over the course of years.
We live in modern times, and those that wish to exit are clearly out of touch. Modern commerce requires a regular stream of free flowing information and monies. If this money gets stuck or delayed due to us no longer being a part of a one-market, then it will severely hamper our economy.

gfplux

Nick_C wrote: »

We are not having a referendum on who our Head of State should be, so its pointless to mix the Republican argument with the case for Independence.

Those of us who want to leave the EU are very happy to carry on trading with the EU.

We don't have to accept America imposing their laws on us in order to trade with them, or any of the other 167 nations that are not EU member states.

You have never been a salesman, have you. You might have 167 potential customers but those customers have to be persuaded to change their supplier. That is never easy, always difficult

CLAPTON

frugaldad wrote: »

The short answer is that if we exit the EU, we stand to lose trillions over the course of years.
We live in modern times, and those that wish to exit are clearly out of touch. Modern commerce requires a regular stream of free flowing information and monies. If this money gets stuck or delayed due to us no longer being a part of a one-market, then it will severely hamper our economy.

how do countries manage outside the EU?
Is there no flow of money and information available outside?

and why are so many EU countries doing so badly when they live in this EU wonderland of money and information and behind their high tariff walls.

Nick_C

gfplux wrote: »

You say better control (of immigrants) any suggestions on how that would happen.

Oh I don't know. No one has suggested anything feasible. Oh wait a second, how about an Australian style points based system?