If we vote for Brexit what happens

prosaver

michaels wrote: »

My understanding is that the UK as a whole loses out quite considerably due to the CAP, everyone losing through higher food prices and taxpayers losing because like all things European we are net contributors to the CAP unlike other countries just as rich as us (France anyone) who are large net recipients.

It would not appear to make sense for poorer British taxpayers to be subsidising richer French farmers but can anyone se any way within the EU structure that such obvious regressive policies could be overturned?

Even if we in the UK voted out all our MEPS for other promising to resolve tis injustice what difference would 80 odd parliamentarins out of 1000 make? Whereas of course were the policy determined at Westminster then we could easily vote down policies that the vast majority of UK citizens did not support.

I seen the thing about farmers and thought there wont be many farmers about anyway maybe 500 in the country?

prosaver

SussexJohn wrote: »

I am old enough to know life outside of the Common Market and the European Union - I can say we were better off in those days, we were happier and young people could afford to buy a house. When I started a family, my wife stayed at home to look after the children - not only did my wage support them but it help me buy a house. It was a struggle but we were happy. Now both couples have to go to work and they are still in debt. I am certainly voting out and I am sure anyone my age will be as we knew better times.

and everyone wasnt on the sick and people with tattoos was only at the fairground:)

CLAPTON

prosaver wrote: »

I seen the thing about farmers and thought there wont be many farmers about anyway maybe 500 in the country?

agriculture employs about 500,000 people and contributes about 9.9 billion to uk

BobQ

SussexJohn wrote: »

I am old enough to know life outside of the Common Market and the European Union - I can say we were better off in those days, we were happier and young people could afford to buy a house. When I started a family, my wife stayed at home to look after the children - not only did my wage support them but it help me buy a house. It was a struggle but we were happy. Now both couples have to go to work and they are still in debt. I am certainly voting out and I am sure anyone my age will be as we knew better times.

And if you had been living in Italy or the Netherlands you would have been much the same. Declining Affordability of housing and the transition to two income families was not peculiar to the UK.

I too remember life before 1973 and I agree people were happier but the world has changed across the EU over that period. To blame the EU for everything that has gone wrong in the past 40 years is absurd. Some things have gone better, living standards have risen overall, health has improved, life expectancy is higher is that due to the EU?

plasmarb

Quite simply put, idiot.

Rinoa

From Guido

Taxpayer-funded civil servants have been authorised by David Cameron to use public resources to campaign for Remain. Will advisers and officials working for ministers who back Leave have the same freedom? They have tonight been issued a strict ban on their activities by the Cabinet Secretary Jeremy Heywood.
Civil servants working in the departments of Grayling, Whitto, IDS etc have been barred from giving their ministers briefings supporting their position on the EU. They are banned from providing speech material, and will be denied access to government papers relating to the referendum. Special advisers working for Leave ministers are banned from supporting their boss’ position in office hours. They are also banned from using annual leave on campaign activity. Pro-Remain ministers are meanwhile allowed to use public resources to campaign.
Amusingly, Heywood writes that these restrictions mean:

“The principles of impartiality and the proper use of public resources continue to apply to all government communications activity, including activity related to the EU referendum.”

This is laughable – Downing Street civil servants like Chris Hopkins are authorised to use taxpayer-funded resources to campaign for Remain, yet civil servants and SpAds for Eurosceptic ministers who want to do the same thing for the Leave campaign are banned from doing so. This is the exact opposite of “the principles of impartiality and the proper use of public resources”. It’s “do as we say, not as we do…”

plasmarb

BobQ wrote: »

So how do you trade with a nation whose laws you ignore?

Will we comply with their regulations when we sell to them?

This is the problem , the EU is not a nation. Put in it's simple form it was born as a trade organisation and expanded to the superpower it is today.

The issue we have is this, how can a super power dictate to every country under that umbrella? It's absurd.

At the end of the day, by us leaving we can trade with the world. Trade will not stop! We open our horizons rather than close ourselves to one 'superpowers' ideology. After we left we can control our own issues socially and economically... I mean since when is sending a child benefit abroad a right?
We can cap the crazy high immigration that has changed areas beyond recognition and increased house prices beyond belief halting chances for young people like me to get on the ladder.

I've seen fist hand the benefits and cons of immigration, straight up for my children and our people I honestly believe us being governed by ourselves is not such a huge issue.

Who really benefits from us being in the EU? the Europeans of course.

BobQ

Rinoa wrote: »

From Guido

It is Government Policy to recommend we remain in the EU. Why should those who have been released from their obligation to support Government Policy (as determined by the Cabinet and in their manifesto) be allowed to use official resources to oppose Government Policy.?

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

It is Government Policy to recommend we remain in the EU. Why should those who have been released from their obligation to support Government Policy (as determined by the Cabinet and in their manifesto) be allowed to use official resources to oppose Government Policy.?

it would seem fair minded to provide dispassionate information to the citizens of this great country in order to come to the correct answer to the referendum.
however they are politicians and therefore proven liars and cheats so they need to stack the decks

globalds

BobQ wrote: »

So how do you trade with a nation whose laws you ignore?

Will we comply with their regulations when we sell to them?

Regulations are not laws ,


If our products don't comply with their regulations they might chose not to trade with us ..

But We will still have our Laws and Lawmakers.