If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

vivatifosi wrote: »

The first para of the main body of the article, as linked to by antrobus, states:

Unanimously agreed by all Member States, the deal fully addresses the requests of the United Kingdom and is legally binding.

my question was that I couldn't see anything of substance in the agreement so being legally binding means nothing

prosaver

CLAPTON wrote: »

agriculture employs about 500,000 people and contributes about 9.9 billion to uk

I meant farmers (the bosses or owners,)
Agriculture employees could vote different as they are on low pay

prosaver

CLAPTON wrote: »

my question was that I couldn't see anything of substance in the agreement so being legally binding means nothing

and its just all talk no laws passed

wymondham

wotsthat wrote: »

David Cameron is correct - EU decisions are legally binding.

Michael Gove is correct - things that are legally binding are only legally binding until they aren't.

so this is the information we have to make an informed choice....

wymondham

Generali wrote: »

You're seeing things as black and white in a Technicolor world.

If the Government passes a law, the courts can overturn it. Does that mean that the Government doesn't make laws that are legally binding? Of course not.

True, but we are (or will be) asked to make a choice based on this information. If its so cloudy how can people be sure its the right one?

gfplux

CLAPTON wrote: »

Quite rightly, the size of farm subsidies and their focus will be decided by the UK government : why do you find that so awful?

With the recent flooding in mind, maybe a UK decided policy will encourage the higher land in catchment areas to be designed to hold water so as to prevent floods, rather than to drain quickly, as now, and cause flooding.
One wonders at how much the EU decided farming incentives, have caused in flood damage.

One can understand why farmers want a high supply of cheap labour but as the UK will make its own policies there is no reason why this can't be allowed, if it is better than providing employment to UK citizens.

Clapton, I don't find it awful, but I do wonder what will be put in place instead of those subsidies. I was trying to point out that when one set of regulations disappear a new set perhaps needs to be put in place and the Farmers might think it's important to hear from someone in Government what that will be.

Again how quickly would legislation be seamlessly enacted to allow the harvest to be gathered. A few weeks debating this in Parliement might mean losing the harvest.

I am only concerned with the practicality of different situations. Surely those who are convinced of Brexit should be asking AND answering these questions.

Flooding, well, that's a very good point. Did you see how our Politiciens have handled this problem over the last few years. I have never heard one of them blame the EU but perhaps miraculously after Brexit they will come up with a solution!!

setmefree2

prosaver wrote: »

we import more goods from the EU, than export,
well go elsewhere and then the EU will
defiantly go bankrupt.

Reality Check: Business arguments on EU referendum

Right in cash terms. In 2014 we exported £227bn worth of goods and services to other EU countries, and imported £288bn from them. Of course, as a share of total exports, it looks much less important to the rest of the EU - it's about 45% of our exports, but less than 10% of theirs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35603388?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=56cc626c490000e70f84491c%26Reality%20Check:%20Business%20arguments%20on%20EU%20referendum%26&ns_fee=0#post_56cc626c490000e70f84491c

gfplux

SussexJohn wrote: »

I am old enough to know life outside of the Common Market and the European Union - I can say we were better off in those days, we were happier and young people could afford to buy a house. When I started a family, my wife stayed at home to look after the children - not only did my wage support them but it help me buy a house. It was a struggle but we were happy. Now both couples have to go to work and they are still in debt. I am certainly voting out and I am sure anyone my age will be as we knew better times.

Yes I remember it well,
I was younger. That dreadful EU has made me older. How I hate the EU.
Hurrah Brexit will make me younger.

Sorry Sussex, I could not resist the temptation.

gfplux

BobQ wrote: »

It is Government Policy to recommend we remain in the EU. Why should those who have been released from their obligation to support Government Policy (as determined by the Cabinet and in their manifesto) be allowed to use official resources to oppose Government Policy.?

I believe (from the BBC) that as the as the official position of the Labour party is to stay in then the local constituent party's will be able to take part in the campaign.

Nick_C

Ben8282 wrote: »

I believe there is considerable misinformation in the minds of the public on the subject of EU membership and Immigration.
Here are some points for consideration.


1. EU/EEA NATIONALS
If we leave the EU will we also leave the EEA or remain a member of the EEA along with non-EU countries Norway and Iceland?
The EEA has signed up to the 'free-movement' principals. Unless we leave the EEA also, EU
nationals will still be able to enter the UK 'freely'.
This is a question which needs to be answered.

It won't be answered. If we vote to leave, the Government have promised to take us out of the EU. They will then have to make the best deal they can. If Cameron clings on, he will probably keep us in the EEA out of spite so we gain nothing and beg for readmission at a later date. If a Eurosceptic becomes PM, we might leave the EEA as well. This is a leap of faith.

2. NON EU/EEA NATIONALS
How will leaving the EU change our ability to control immigration by non-EU nationals?

It won't. We can already control immigration from outside the EU. We are failing miserably. For me, the referendum isn't about immigration, its about sovereignty. On the question of immigration, generally Europeans are likely to fit into our culture better then people from other continents, and I would prefer our migrant workers to come from Europe.

What sort of level of immigration control would we wish to place on citizens of our neighbouring countries?
If all EU nationals arriving in the UK were to be required to complete a landing card, be examined by an immigration officer as to the purpose of their visit etc and given the appropriate leave to enter, the queues would be never-ending and the cost would be massive.

Until very recently, all EU nationals arriving in the UK, including Brits, did have to be examined by an Immigration Officer. Unless you go through the e-passport line, you still do/are.

Don't see why we cant agree to continue to allow free movement for the purposes of tourism with our EU neighbours. Just place restrictions on employment and benefits. Employment restrictions are enforced by employers.

Would it actually be possible to discriminate between citizens of different EU countries? If say we decided that Romanians were to require visas, could we actually do that or would such a requirement have to be imposed for ALL EU nationals?

Yes. In theory. If we leave the EU and the EEA, we will be in control of our own borders. We have different rules for nationals of different countries. We could treat the different member states differently. Although this would probably kill any attempt to negotiate an EU trade agreement, so in practice the answer is likely to be no.

But if you are only allowing migrant workers in on the basis of needs and abilities, what does it matter whether they come from France, Romania, or India?[/QUOTE]

What would happen to EU nationals living in the UK? .

Even UKIP have said that no one would be forced to leave following independence, but its a decision for our Government to negotiate. A logical way forward would be for people who have already been living in the UK for a specified period of time to be given permanent residence. We would want any such arrangement to be reciprocal to protect Brits living abroad. The EU would be even more vindictive than I imagine them to be if they were not agreeable to such a proposal.