If we vote for Brexit what happens

setmefree2

SussexJohn wrote: »

I am old enough to know life outside of the Common Market and the European Union - I can say we were better off in those days, we were happier and young people could afford to buy a house. When I started a family, my wife stayed at home to look after the children - not only did my wage support them but it help me buy a house. It was a struggle but we were happy. Now both couples have to go to work and they are still in debt. I am certainly voting out and I am sure anyone my age will be as we knew better times.

I'm afraid I would have to say that my opinion is the exact opposite. Pre EU Britain was a dump.

Nick_C

gfplux wrote: »

Again how quickly would legislation be seamlessly enacted to allow the harvest to be gathered. A few weeks debating this in Parliement might mean losing the harvest.

If we vote to leave, we will have two years to sort these things out.

At the moment, Cameron is saying all these things would be very difficult because he wants to frighten us into staying.

The reality with all the EU subsidies is the same. We pay more into the EU than we get out. We can replace the EU subsidies with payments from Westminster and still have more than £10 billion left over.

gfplux

Ben8282 wrote: »

I believe there is considerable misinformation in the minds of the public on the subject of EU membership and Immigration.
Here are some points for consideration.


1. EU/EEA NATIONALS
If we leave the EU will we also leave the EEA or remain a member of the EEA along with non-EU countries Norway and Iceland?
The EEA has signed up to the 'free-movement' principals. Unless we leave the EEA also, EU
nationals will still be able to enter the UK 'freely'.
This is a question which needs to be answered.


2. NON EU/EEA NATIONALS
How will leaving the EU change our ability to control immigration by non-EU nationals? We are not part of Shengen. The UK issues it's own visas. Non-EU/EEA nationals are subject to normal immigration controls when entering the UK from an EU-country. The influx of such persons to the UK was due to the changes made by the Blair government to work permit procedures/immigration control procedures in 1997, not the EU.


There are also some other points to be thought about.
What sort of level of immigration control would we wish to place on citizens of our neighbouring countries?
If all EU nationals arriving in the UK were to be required to complete a landing card, be examined by an immigration officer as to the purpose of their visit etc and given the appropriate leave to enter, the queues would be never-ending and the cost would be massive.
Would it actually be possible to discriminate between citizens of different EU countries? If say we decided that Romanians were to require visas, could we actually do that or would such a requirement have to be imposed for ALL EU nationals?
What would happen to EU nationals living in the UK? I have a friend. She is French. She has lived and worked in UK since 1978 but has never obtained (or wanted) UK citizenship. What would happen to her?
And how would the EU countries treat us? What comes to mind is that we would be treated the same as say Canadians or New Zealanders are treated, with the only noticeable difference from the present being that our passports were stamped, our stay limited to 3 months and we could not get a job. But would that be so? I wouldn't expect a Shengen visa requirement for UK nationals, but if they were angry enough with us .... ?

All good questions non of which can be answered in this forum but could be answered if you put them to any Politicien who is in the Brexit camp.

As for your final paragraph. I only have my opinion. I am a British citizen living and paying income tax in Luxembourg. I have a residents permit issued by my commune. It elegedly allows me lifetime residence in Luxembourg. However I am assuming that if there is a Brexit then all bets are off. I will be at the mercy of the negotiations between the UK and the EU. However logic suggests that I will be allowed to stay. However we will have to wait and see.

CLAPTON

gfplux wrote: »

Clapton, I don't find it awful, but I do wonder what will be put in place instead of those subsidies. I was trying to point out that when one set of regulations disappear a new set perhaps needs to be put in place and the Farmers might think it's important to hear from someone in Government what that will be.

Again how quickly would legislation be seamlessly enacted to allow the harvest to be gathered. A few weeks debating this in Parliement might mean losing the harvest.

I am only concerned with the practicality of different situations. Surely those who are convinced of Brexit should be asking AND answering these questions.

Flooding, well, that's a very good point. Did you see how our Politiciens have handled this problem over the last few years. I have never heard one of them blame the EU but perhaps miraculously after Brexit they will come up with a solution!!

There is no certainty either in or out of the EU:

The rules of the EU on CAP can and have changed many times.

There is NO possibility of that a government, wanting to stay in the EU, will provide guidelines for what might happen if we leave except to say how awful it will be. It is the government plan to scare people into remaining in the EU.
Just like you are doing now : asking questions you KNOW the government will refuse to answer and then using their corruption to justify staying.

There will be a substantial transition period of 2 years to get the brexit rules and regulations in place.

setmefree2

In Today's news....

Sterling slumps below $1.39......

Concerns over Britain's place within the EU continued to weigh on sterling, dragging the pound further below $1.39 for the first time since 2009, a level rarely seen and associated with previous crises for the currency

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2429af50-daaf-11e5-a72f-1e7744c66818.html#axzz415HPqeTk

You've got to wonder if an interest rate rise is gonna come sooner rather than later to support the pound?

gfplux

Nick_C wrote: »

If we vote to leave, we will have two years to sort these things out.

At the moment, Cameron is saying all these things would be very difficult because he wants to frighten us into staying.

The reality with all the EU subsidies is the same. We pay more into the EU than we get out. We can replace the EU subsidies with payments from Westminster and still have more than £10 billion left over.

You are quite right, in fact the documentation says the two years can be extended if needed and agreed by both party's.

However my point is for farming subsidies, as an example , on Brexit after 2 or more years the subsidy will STOP. during that time the British Government will alone have to decide who to will get cash and those that will not. So they have an opportunity to make good decisions but when have they shown they are capable of doing so. Will they do as normal and look after their friends who ever they might be.

antrobus

wotsthat wrote: »

David Cameron is correct - EU decisions are legally binding.

Michael Gove is correct - things that are legally binding are only legally binding until they aren't.

I believe that is a pretty accurate summary of the position.

setmefree2

gfplux wrote: »

You are quite right, in fact the documentation says the two years can be extended if needed and agreed by both party's.

It took Greenland 3 years to negotiate an exit from the EEC in 1985. It is a much smaller country than the UK, so one can imagine negotiations will take longer than 2 years.

prosaver

setmefree2 wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35603388?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=56cc626c490000e70f84491c%26Reality%20Check:%20Business%20arguments%20on%20EU%20referendum%26&ns_fee=0#post_56cc626c490000e70f84491c

shouldnt get your data of the BBC, telegraph too, they are bias for " the stay in" campaign and its old data.:)

Key Points

• Total trade exports for December 2015 are £27.4 billion. This is an increase of £2.1 billion (8.4 per cent) compared with last month and an increase of £2.2 million (8.6 per cent) compared with December 2014.
• Total trade imports for December 2015 are £31.0 billion. This is a decrease of £4.0 billion (11.5 per cent) compared with last month and a decrease of £3.9 billion (11.2 per cent) compared with December 2014.
• The UK is a net importer this month, with imports exceeding exports by £3.6 billion.

• A breakdown of Gold trade for December 2015 is available here.

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I think we have the upper hand on germany " 2 billion" agreee?
cant find other EU countries maybe you could for this month im knacked..
more info on real up to date stats
https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statistics/OverseasTradeStatistics/Pages/OTS.aspx

setmefree2

if sterling were to fall by around 15 per cent to 20 per cent, as our currency strategists predict, UK inflation could rise by up to 5 percentage points. In the event of a vote for Brexit, concerns about deflation could swiftly give way to worries of stagflation.”

The perceived increase to the chances of Brexit led to a 1.8 per cent fall for the pound against the dollar on Monday, its biggest one-day drop since May 2010. It is down more than 2.9 per cent over the week to date and over 5.7 per cent in 2016.

Meanwhile, analysts also warned continued pressure could come from the UK’s reliance on foreign investors to support its large current account deficit, which sits at 5 per cent of national income.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2429af50-daaf-11e5-a72f-1e7744c66818.html#axzz415HPqeTk