If we vote for Brexit what happens

mwpt

CLAPTON wrote: »

oh dear
you really do refuse to discuss the actual issues.

So, I'm an immigrant to the UK. I own a house. So I have effectively bid up prices here in London. On the other hand, I've paid a shed load of tax (more than the avg salary) per year since I've been here. I also work in a high tech industry, enabling my firms to generate a lot of revenue from global clients and bringing this revenue into the UK. So, I think I've been a net positive for the UK?

Out of interest, have you ever got any person on this board who accuses you of racism to just acknowledge the small fact that more people bidding for houses means higher prices?

Yolina

CLAPTON wrote: »

why do you wish harm to the people of Britain?

Only if the people of Britain cause me harm by making it difficult for me to stay in the UK despite having lived (and paid tax) here and for over 20 years.

The point is that I'm not going to be the only non-Brit EU passport holder in the UK who thinks like that - so other than obviously no longer contributing to the UK system if I leave, I'd also be taking money out. Granted, not a humongous amount in the great scheme of things, but how many net contributors will go 'sod this, cash in and go'?

If the UK votes out, fair enough it's your decision, but don't expect everyone potentially adversely affected to just go along and play nice after that.
Actions have consequences...

CLAPTON

Yolina wrote: »

Only if the people of Britain cause me harm by making it difficult for me to stay in the UK despite having lived (and paid tax) here and for over 20 years.

The point is that I'm not going to be the only non-Brit EU passport holder in the UK who thinks like that - so other than obviously no longer contributing to the UK system if I leave, I'd also be taking money out. Granted, not a humongous amount in the great scheme of things, but how many net contributors will go 'sod this, cash in and go'?

If the UK votes out, fair enough it's your decision, but don't expect everyone potentially adversely affected to just go along and play nice after that.
Actions have consequences...

so it's ok for you to act in what you perceive as your own self interest but not for the british to do the same

it seems to me to be perfectly reasonable for you to do what is in your best interest but that's not the same as deliberately doing harm

Yolina

CLAPTON wrote: »

so it's ok for you to act in what you perceive as your own self interest but not for the british to do the same

Try the other way round... the British acting in what they perceive as their own self-interest may force me to do the same.

it seems to me to be perfectly reasonable for you to do what is in your best interest but that's not the same as deliberately doing harm

But you'd be deliberately doing harm to EU passport holders living in the UK in the name of your own, perfectly reasonable, best interest.

Horses for courses...

And frankly after 20+ years here, obviously without having to jump through hoops, it kinda feels like a slap in the face, regardless of what the result of the referendum ends up being, and I'll admit to being tempted to just giving you lot a nice 2-finger salute on my way out

CLAPTON

Yolina wrote: »

Try the other way round... the British acting in what they perceive as their own self-interest may force me to do the same.



But you'd be deliberately doing harm to EU passport holders living in the UK in the name of your own, perfectly reasonable, best interest.

Horses for courses...

And frankly after 20+ years here, obviously without having to jump through hoops, it kinda feels like a slap in the face, regardless of what the result of the referendum ends up being, and I'll admit to being tempted to just giving you lot a nice 2-finger salute on my way out

all countries act in their own self interest : there need be no implication of deliberately doing harm.
all countries have migration rules : yes they obviously disadvantage some (most) individuals but that the same in every country in the world. France nor switzerland are any different

anyway its hugely unlikely that existing residents would be ejected

why don't you become a citizen?

Yolina

CLAPTON wrote: »

why don't you become a citizen?

I did consider it quite a few years ago, but frankly there never was a strong enough reason to bother, it's the EU after all. Plus it costs money. And no, right now I most certainly wouldn't want to.

And without existing residents being ejected, will we need to get a residence permit or provide a ream of paperwork to be allowed to stay? Who knows. I won't jump through hoops just to stay here - so either I'll go to another EU country or as I've already said, as far as non-EU countries are concerned, Switzerland is a far more attractive proposition (plus it's now actually quite easy for EU passport holders to get settled there; different story for non EU passport holders...)

CLAPTON

Yolina wrote: »

I did consider it quite a few years ago, but frankly there never was a strong enough reason to bother, it's EU after all. plus it costs money. And no, right now I most certainly wouldn't want to.

it would be a political decision just like the immigration policies of France, Switzerland and every other country in the world.

BobQ

plasmarb wrote: »

Trade only.

No need for their laws and people!

So how do you trade with a nation whose laws you ignore?

Will we comply with their regulations when we sell to them?

SussexJohn

I am old enough to know life outside of the Common Market and the European Union - I can say we were better off in those days, we were happier and young people could afford to buy a house. When I started a family, my wife stayed at home to look after the children - not only did my wage support them but it help me buy a house. It was a struggle but we were happy. Now both couples have to go to work and they are still in debt. I am certainly voting out and I am sure anyone my age will be as we knew better times.

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

So, I'm an immigrant to the UK. I own a house. So I have effectively bid up prices here in London. On the other hand, I've paid a shed load of tax (more than the avg salary) per year since I've been here. I also work in a high tech industry, enabling my firms to generate a lot of revenue from global clients and bringing this revenue into the UK. So, I think I've been a net positive for the UK?

Out of interest, have you ever got any person on this board who accuses you of racism to just acknowledge the small fact that more people bidding for houses means higher prices?

I would like to reply but I don't understand what point you're wishing to make