If we vote for Brexit what happens

antrobus

mrginge wrote: »

...It makes the assumption that the ONLY place we can buy and sell is through the EU....

EU members could say the same thing about the UK.

mrginge wrote: »

....However, not only would EU countries be desperate to retain access to the fifth largest economy in the world that was right on their doorstep, they would also need that access to be competitive....

By that same measure the EU represents either the biggest economy in the world, or the second biggest if we weren't in it. If they are going to be desperate to trade with us because we're no. 5, just think how more desperate we will be to trade with them, because they're no. 2.

mrginge wrote: »

....Sticking a 10% import tariff on VWs does nothing to help them to sell. It also looks like a bit of a silly move if we then go off an negotiate a better deal with Ford, free from the confines of EU collective bargaining....

It would be the UK that would be deciding on the level of import tarrifs post-Brexit, so if "Sticking a 10% import tariff on VWs" would be a "silly move", it would be our silly move.

What's more nations do trade deals with other nations, not specific companies, and besides where the fox do you think Fords come from? As far as I'm aware Ford Fiestas roll off the production line in Cologne. Granted, some of the components are from the UK, but I'm pretty sure that Cologne is in Germany, and that any 10% import duty on VWs will also apply to Fords. (And Huyndais and Kias as well, even if they do come from Slovakia and the Czech republic)

mrginge wrote: »

....The balance of who holds the power in a UK-EU negotiation is marginal. Certainly close enough that we have enough of a hand to get close to a sensible deal for both sides. Some of these remainers seem to think we'd all be on the dole and living off pot noodles by Christmas.

Yea, right. The outcome of the recent UK-EU negotiations has just proved that, hasn't it.

antrobus

setmefree2 wrote: »

...Seriously how many Europeans go to live in Wales???

A lot.

I think that pretty much 95% or so of the Welsh population are Europeans. Granted about 1 in 5 of them are English, which might be stretching the point a bit. But I'm prepared to be generous and allow them to qualify as Europeans.

Generali

setmefree2 wrote: »

Seriously how many Europeans go to live in Wales???

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/?p=92122&print=1

A POLISH man is overwhelming a village in Cornwall, it has been claimed. Piotr Bacik arrived in Chapel Cross a year ago and local Tories fear that his presence will result in their children being forced to eat kielbasa for lunch every day. Councillor Nikki Hollis said: “He swarms over here and it’s only a matter of time before we’re all walking around dressed like Lech Walesa and drinking schnapps or whatever the relevant sickly drink is. “This used to be a nice, quiet village but now it has a Polish man living in it. Enough is enough.” Hollis has promised residents an urgent review of the situation and has asked that the Polish man report his whereabouts to the police every morning until further notice.

Local resident Julian Cook said: “One only has to look at neighbouring Balcombe, which now has a World Foods section in its Tesco Metro, to see where this can lead. “This isn’t racism – I’ve met Piotr and he’s a decent enough fellow if you can understand his guttural Slavic accent – but we’ve leapt from 123 residents to 124 in the last 12 months. We’re full.”

setmefree2

antrobus wrote: »

A lot.

I think that pretty much 95% or so of the Welsh population are Europeans. Granted about 1 in 5 of them are English, which might be stretching the point a bit. But I'm prepared to be generous and allow them to qualify as Europeans.

:rotfl:I struggled with the right word - I'm pretty sure migrant isn't PC

prosaver

we import more goods from the EU, than export,
well go elsewhere and then the EU will
defiantly go bankrupt.

N1AK

Nick_C wrote: »

We are not having a referendum on who our Head of State should be, so its pointless to mix the Republican argument with the case for Independence.

Those of us who want to leave the EU are very happy to carry on trading with the EU.

I'm glad you're aware of that. There's nothing wrong with pointing out hypocrisy, and given that I was responding to someone suggesting that it'd be a good thing that we'd be buying less of certain products from Europe I don't think you can, or should, speak for all the Leave camp.

setmefree2

More scare tactics - all those big business bosses saying there will be job losses!!!

EU exit would risk jobs, says group of business bosses

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35636838

Don't they know life is going to be sooooo much better once we LEAVE

BJ not happy

Boris Johnson slams business chiefs for scaremongering over Brexit consequences

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/boris-johnson-slams-business-chiefs-7424264

Those pesky business leaders.

wotsthat

Nick_C wrote: »

America does not require our Parliament to impose laws on the British People in order to trade with them.

The EU on the other hand imposes laws on our country that have nothing to do with trade buy which affect the daily lives of every one of us.

The U.S. doesn't require parliament to impose laws but they expect products they import to meet their standards over which the UK has no say.

Vice versa it's the same. Their products have to meet European standards over which they have no say.

If we leave then the UK can implement her own standards and norms but I'd be surprised if they deviated at all from current European standards because (a) there's nothing wrong with them and (b) adopting EU standards which are already implemented would be the simplest and most pragmatic way to maintain trade post exit.

Of course, as EU standards changed in the future (with no negotiation with the UK) you'd find the UK adopted the new standard anyway.

Absolutely the last reason to leave should be because we want to implement completely different standards which make trade with Europe more difficult. For what? To import a load of crappy food from America.

Generali

prosaver wrote: »

we import more goods from the EU, than export,
well go elsewhere and then the EU will
defiantly go bankrupt.

Hmm. Where is your dinner going to come from? The UK makes most of the meat and milk she consumes but very few veggies.

prosaver

setmefree2 wrote: »

:rotfl:I struggled with the right word - I'm pretty sure migrant isn't PC

Its OK, migrant is a word the BBC uses a lot for illegal immigrants from outside the EU.