If we vote for Brexit what happens

chucknorris

mayonnaise wrote: »

I honestly don't know anyone favouring brexit.

I do, but they are keen UKIP supporters, I haven't really started discussing it with anyone else yet, but I will do soon.

Nick_C

antrobus wrote: »

That would be true. But that right arises because they are Irish, Maltese, or Cypriot citizens. They would have the same rights even if those countries were not EU members.

I interepreted the question as addressing EU citizens.

Not saying you're wrong, merely expanding on your answer.

antrobus wrote: »

Bizarre it might be, but that's what it says in the British Nationality Act 1981. (As amended).

Is that a problem?

I think the issue of resident foreigners voting in UK elections is an area that needs looking at. It is bizarre that a Canadian living and working in London can vote for our Government or in this referendum, while an American cannot.

I also think its wrong that an EU citizen who is permanently settled here and paying taxes cannot vote in general elections, but a refugee from a Commonwealth country who is contributing nothing to our economy can vote here.

So yes, I think there is a problem.

Sorry to go so far off topic, but you did ask!

mayonnaise

Nick_C wrote: »

If you look at the top 20 countries for Brits abroad, six of them are in the EU with an estimated British population of 1.2 million. The US alone has 678,000 British residents.

Are those Brits abroad putting pressure on the local housing market and driving cars? And if so....does Clapton know?? :rotfl:

Nick_C

crux wrote: »

Fundamentally this issue is about closing the borders and stopping free movement of people.

Everything else is just noise & miss direction.

I disagree. It will be for some people, and Cameron has tried to make this all about benefits for EU migrant workers, but for me it has always been about sovereignty. I would rather we made our own laws than have laws imposed on by foreigners.

kabayiri

The issue for me is one of core trust in the EU, if I'm honest.

The actions of Merkel with the refugee invite, was to undermine the collective approach of the EU. You can't escape the fact that the behaviour of the EU is dominated by the actions of a few core states.

I too enjoy working with Europeans and in Europe, but I spend far more time focussed on India nowadays. That's where the growth is for me.

It would suit me to restrict the number of EU migrants, and in preference, bring in more skilled Indian resource.

Selfish perhaps, but being honest.

crux

Nick_C wrote: »

I disagree. It will be for some people, and Cameron has tried to make this all about benefits for EU migrant workers, but for me it has always been about sovereignty. I would rather we made our own laws than have laws imposed on by foreigners.

With great respect to your view - a valid one at that - we would not be having a referendum vote if the EU did not have free movement of people.

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

We can continue playing our part in the global economy with London and the SE being an engine of growth (which will attract people, both indigenous and foreign).
Or we can disengage from the world. Yes, houses would be cheap and roads empty. If you think that will make us better off, you're deluded.

Attracting more people and 'growth' doesn't make us better off.
What bit of economic theory says that unless the population grows continuously then people get poorer?
The alternative from unconstrained population grow is a full spectrum of possibilities: some of which include the possibility of young people owning a family sized house and all include playing a full part in the world.

What do you consider the minimum population growth is for us to play a our part in the global economy.

Generali

Rinoa wrote: »

Hats off to Oz. They did all that by making their own laws, trading with who they wished and at the same time had full control over their borders.

Ok, so we went down the wrong road in 1974. But that's no reason to continue the same journey when we know it's a road to nowhere.

Did you watch the video from the FT?

Even if you believe that the UK went down the wrong road in 1974, which from an economic POV is deeply questionable, the UK did go down that road and so you are starting from where you are not from some fictitious place that you'd like to be in.

The costs of unwinding what you have and putting something new in place are immense with absolutely no guarantees that you even can put anything in place in the 24 months available.

TTIP, a far less comprehensive agreement than the single market took 20 years to negotiate and if you think the UK is going to swan in to the EEA then you're having a laugh.

michaels

And if the UK has no trade deal with the EU what would be the consequences - would we have to drive the Nissans, Hondas and Toyotas built here rather than VWs and Citroens made in Europe?

Would be have to import cheaper wheat and other food from the US and South America rather than more expensive EU stuff?

Would we be able to make our own choice on whether GM allows for more farming output with less harmful pesticides?

Would we be able to fish our territorial waters as much as we wished?

Would we be able to pick and chose the best immigrants from all over the world rather than having to take as many low skilled Europeans as turn up thus improving the wages of the lowest skilled at the price of higher costs for the middle class for their lattes and domestics?

If there were a trade off between democracy and GDP how much would people be willing to pay to have a directly elected govt that we could vote out if they became too venal and corrupt with an unaudited budget year on year or introduced unreasonable taxes such as the community charge?

kabayiri

michaels wrote: »

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Would we be able to pick and chose the best immigrants from all over the world rather than having to take as many low skilled Europeans as turn up thus improving the wages of the lowest skilled at the price of higher costs for the middle class for their lattes and domestics?
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It's easier to find the skilled IT resource at a lower price from places like India, certainly.

Indian restaurants based here are also experiencing problems recruiting curry chefs.

Our migration policy doesn't work for everyone.

I do like Polish workers but they expect a lot more money now.