If we vote for Brexit what happens

Nick_C

Generali wrote: »

Well you kinda do.

If you're selling beer to the US then you need to sell it in ounces and pints whereas if you sell it to Australia you need to sell it in mls.

Those laws are both imposed on you, like it or not.

It may be a trite example but the great big fat benefit of the EU is that standards are, erm....., standardised. The UK doesn't get to set them all but ask a business whether they'd rather deal with 167 standards or 1 and I am pretty confident of the answer.

I'm afraid you are not comparing like with like.

You are talking about a requirement imposed on a business that wants to trade in a particular market.

America does not require our Parliament to impose laws on the British People in order to trade with them.

The EU on the other hand imposes laws on our country that have nothing to do with trade buy which affect the daily lives of every one of us.

Generali

Nick_C wrote: »

I'm afraid you are not comparing like with like.

You are talking about a requirement imposed on a business that wants to trade in a particular market.

America does not require our Parliament to impose laws on the British People in order to trade with them.

The EU on the other hand imposes laws on our country that have nothing to do with trade buy which affect the daily lives of every one of us.

Yes it does.

When the US Government imposes sanctions unilaterally on a country it is basically impossible for a UK bank to send money to that country.

The difference between the US and EU is that the UK has a say in EU law but none in US law.

mrginge

Nick_C wrote: »

We don't have to accept America imposing their laws on us in order to trade with them, or any of the other 167 nations that are not EU member states.

The big failing of the scare tactic of exclusion from the single market is that it ignores the fact that all these other countries exist.

It makes the assumption that the ONLY place we can buy and sell is through the EU.

However, not only would EU countries be desperate to retain access to the fifth largest economy in the world that was right on their doorstep, they would also need that access to be competitive.
Sticking a 10% import tariff on VWs does nothing to help them to sell. It also looks like a bit of a silly move if we then go off an negotiate a better deal with Ford, free from the confines of EU collective bargaining.

The balance of who holds the power in a UK-EU negotiation is marginal. Certainly close enough that we have enough of a hand to get close to a sensible deal for both sides. Some of these remainers seem to think we'd all be on the dole and living off pot noodles by Christmas.

crux

One last general point.

I'm not advocating to remain through fear of the unknown or any love of the EU - I'm leaning towards remain due to the lack of clear advantage in leaving...

If we had a conviction leadership with a clear vision of our future direction and place in the world my judgement would quite probably be different - I am after all naturally quite patriotic.

However we'd be coming out against the wishes of the government at a time we don't need to - that strikes me as just dumb.

At the very least the government will need to re-shape - who is likely to lead us ably and successfully into our bright new future?

...BoJo?? he's not even a true believer...

Rinoa

Generali wrote: »

Did you watch the video from the FT?

Even if you believe that the UK went down the wrong road in 1974, which from an economic POV is deeply questionable, the UK did go down that road and so you are starting from where you are not from some fictitious place that you'd like to be in.

The costs of unwinding what you have and putting something new in place are immense with absolutely no guarantees that you even can put anything in place in the 24 months available.

TTIP, a far less comprehensive agreement than the single market took 20 years to negotiate and if you think the UK is going to swan in to the EEA then you're having a laugh.

So because it's difficult and complex we should just accept it?

I think my country is better than that.

antrobus

Generali wrote: »

Yes it does.

When the US Government imposes sanctions unilaterally on a country it is basically impossible for a UK bank to send money to that country....

FACTA.

Generali wrote: »

...The difference between the US and EU is that the UK has a say in EU law but none in US law.

The difference between the US and the EU, is that the EU has a political as well as an economic dimension; ever closer union and all that. It remains to be seen whether the 'explict' opt out will free the UK from that political dimension.

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

Good point....I live in N London.....resources are stretched....it's very crowded on the roads etc... but I don't know anyone who supports UKIP. However I come from Wales and visit family. Different world entirely....UKIP are making real advances there!

I live in W London. I never ever ever hear people talk about immigration. When UKIP first emerged as a politically force it took me an age to get my head around the fact that too many immigrants really is a issue for some people. However, I have yet to meet one of these people in real life!!!

Seriously how many Europeans go to live in Wales???

setmefree2

Generali wrote: »

I think the only real negative is that she's going to be in her mid-60s by the next election however Tory voters tend to be older than Labour voters so maybe that's not the disadvantage that I imagine.

I can't believe the age of politicians these days - Clinton 69 Sanders 74 Trump 69 Corbyn 66

I'm thinking about voting for Legalise Cannabis guy in the London Mayoral election - he's 79!

mwpt

Generali wrote: »

It may be a trite example but the great big fat benefit of the EU is that standards are, erm....., standardised.

Stupid imperial units.

prosaver

setmefree2 wrote: »

I live in W London. I never ever ever hear people talk about immigration. When UKIP first emerged as a politically force it took me an age to get my head around the fact that too many immigrants really is a issue for some people. However, I have yet to meet one of these people in real life!!!

Seriously how many Europeans go to live in Wales???

(not in my backyard please).
because loads are sent to other areas and Wales is a nice place:p