If we vote for Brexit what happens

wymondham

Sorry its DM, but which one of these two is factually correct? Is the other lying or simply does not understand?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3458866/Cabinet-rebel-Priti-Patel-says-David-Cameron-s-EU-deal-ripped-EU-judges.html

antrobus

Generali wrote: »

I mean Bozza.

Interesting.

David Cummings runs the Vote Leave campaign. And he's said more or less the same thing.

Generali

antrobus wrote: »

Interesting.

David Cummings runs the Vote Leave campaign. And he's said more or less the same thing.

It's not that inspiring really. A bit like the Scottish referendum when both Yes and No ran a campaign that looked more like a manifesto for the next five years.

Vote to leave the EU for a marginally better deal. Hmm.

chucknorris

Generali wrote: »

It's not that inspiring really. A bit like the Scottish referendum when both Yes and No ran a campaign that looked more like a manifesto for the next five years.

Vote to leave the EU for a marginally better deal. Hmm.

I'm just starting to think about finding out what the implications would be (economically), that FT link you provided earlier looks like a good starting point. I feel inclined to vote to 'stay in' but at the moment that is based on not much more than a 'gut feel' about what the facts actually are. I owe it to myself to look into it, and base my vote on an informed opinion (or at least what I think is an informed opinion). All the discussions that I have had so far have been at our chess club, where there is a UKIP activist, so you can guess where he is coming from. All I have said so far is that I don't yet fully understand what the economic arguments are for staying or leaving.

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

FWIW, Morgan Stanley came out with a report on the Brexit stuff.
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If you did a straw poll in a town like Peterborough to find out who knew about "Morgan Stanley", would they answer :

a) investment bank
b) posh utility knife
c) that bloke who starred in Shawshank Redemption

Seriously, this must be a worry for the "Innys". They can't afford for the Remain argument to be closely associated with bankers. Bankers are still tainted by the GFC; I know people who will happily blame everything on the bankers.

I think voting intentions might come down to more local perspectives than people imagine. If your high street or workplace has changed, there will be a politico or 12 who will smile and tell you its because of the EU (even if it isn't).

kabayiri

chucknorris wrote: »

I'm just starting to think about finding out what the implications would be (economically), that FT link you provided earlier looks like a good starting point.
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A mate of mine who works as a change consultant was approached by an agent the other day to see if he would do some impact assessment work of the EU exit.

This issue is already generating profitable work for some. I had quite a bit of work lined up should we have joined the Euro. Sometimes change is profitable.

Sapphire

cells wrote: »

open borders was a thing for most of the last 200 thousand years of modern human existence. its only really the last 0.1-0.2 thousand years where it was closed so we are going back to the norm over the next 0.1-0.2 thousand years

The population of the planet was also much smaller than it is now throughout most of the historic period, so increases in population could be accommodated – even so, often incomers were not welcomed by various societies, often due to what amounted to concerns about social cohesion.

The population of London, for example, is much too high, and the infrastructure is breaking down. In many places, the streets are visibly far too crowded and transport is very difficult (there is surely a finite limit to how much transport can be provided in a city).

mayonnaise

plasmarb wrote: »

God I can't wait to leave.

Every house viewing has foreigners buying too, this has killed the chances for young people like us o get our foot on the ladder!

It's not really the foreigners' fault you didn't do too well at school thus having low earning potential, is it?

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

It's not really the foreigners' fault you didn't do too well at school thus having low earning potential, is it?

no, it's no individuals fault that we have too many people in London/SE
however any increase in population contributes to the demand side of the equation without the supply side being balanced.
the future is more and more properties converted from family homes to multiple occupation
some see this a sign of success and that this improves the quality of life, some see this as decreasing the quality of life for those affected.
Older people, already owning the own homes, can enjoy the house price inflation.
Nothing to do with earning potential.

Rinoa

Generali wrote: »

Small Government
Membership of the local equivalent body (more of a free trade body)
Low taxes
High immigration (and don't believe the hype it's not all hydro engineers and doctors - every taxi driver is heavily accented just like every other country in the world)
Low welfare costs
Fiscal probity
Sitting on huge, easily accessed mineral reserves

The problem you have is that you aren't starting from 1974, you are starting from 2016. There is no chance that the benefits of leaving the EU are worth the costs.

Hats off to Oz. They did all that by making their own laws, trading with who they wished and at the same time had full control over their borders.

Ok, so we went down the wrong road in 1974. But that's no reason to continue the same journey when we know it's a road to nowhere.