If we vote for Brexit what happens

Generali

Rinoa wrote: »

Australia appears to be be a prosperous country Gen.

How do they achieve this without being in the EU?

Small Government
Membership of the local equivalent body (more of a free trade body)
Low taxes
High immigration (and don't believe the hype it's not all hydro engineers and doctors - every taxi driver is heavily accented just like every other country in the world)
Low welfare costs
Fiscal probity
Sitting on huge, easily accessed mineral reserves

The problem you have is that you aren't starting from 1974, you are starting from 2016. There is no chance that the benefits of leaving the EU are worth the costs.

Thrugelmir

fieldend wrote: »

~ 130000 Brits left the UK last year (many of those going to the EU for work etc)
~ 85000 Brits moved back to the UK last year (many of those returning from the EU)
~ 4+ million Brits living abroad, with ~ 2 mil of those living in the EU

That's called freedom of movement.

Around a 1 million migrants and refugees arrived in Europe in 2015.

How many will arrive in 2016 / 2017 / 2018 ?

Do you call that freedom of movement. Or the reason why open borders will ultimately no longer exist.

Generali

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Around a 1 million migrants and refugees arrived in Europe in 2015.

How many will arrive in 2016 / 2017 / 2018 ?

Do you call that freedom of movement. Or the reason why open borders will ultimately no longer exist.

You're not proposing that a Brexit would solve the refugee problem are you?

Thrugelmir

Generali wrote: »

You're not proposing that a Brexit would solve the refugee problem are you?

Merely suggesting that much of Europe has a problem that is far bigger than Brexit to concern itself with. Our insular island thinking is more concerned with a split in the Tories. Than the far wider issues that are mounting every day. As why shouldn't people wish to move to Europe and enjoy the same lifestyle that we do.

Generali

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Merely suggesting that much of Europe has a problem that is far bigger than Brexit to concern itself with. Our insular island thinking is more concerned with a split in the Tories. Than the far wider issues that are mounting every day. As why shouldn't people wish to move to Europe and enjoy the same lifestyle that we do.

I see.

I keep reading that Brexit will cure refugees! There are some idiots out there.

Sapphire

Generali wrote: »

I see.

I keep reading that Brexit will cure refugees! There are some idiots out there.

It won't 'cure refugees', but it may prevent non-EU, illegal migrants from being foisted on us with dire threats from Merkel and Juncker, as per the attempt last year, due to Merkel's 'welcome' to all and sundry from Africa and the Middle East, and even countries such as Pakistan and Myanmar – on behalf of the EU, without consulting other EU countries, which was among other things grossly undemocratic.

We can close our borders and remove illegal migrants who do break into Britain and have no business being here.

Personally, I would much prefer taxpayers' money be spent on helping (for example) very aged British people, who have contributed throughout their lives, but many of whom are now in dire straits and left to rot at home, or put into horrible homes where they are given very poor care (I have seen this happen myself).

cells

There is no doubt the UK would still be a relatively rich country in or out of the EU.

Generally I think a brexit would be worse for London but very marginally better for the rUK at least for the short to medium term (long term is anyone's guess). And since I live in London I'm leaning towards a stay vote. Sounds daft but if we could keep freedom of movement with the EU both ways I'd vote to leave but seeing as its become more of a vote on immigrations rather than economics I'm likely going to vote to stay

cells

How long does it take a EU national living here to have the right to vote in the UK be it in a general election or this referendum?

fieldend

Sapphire wrote: »

Personally, I would much prefer taxpayers' money be spent on helping (for example) very aged British people, who have contributed throughout their lives, but many of whom are now in dire straits and left to rot at home, or put into horrible homes where they are given very poor care (I have seen this happen myself).

Have you heard of the ageing population problem - that most developed countries are struggling with? The recent increase in birth rates in the UK is due to immigrants. You need today's children to help tomorrow's old people.

"by 2065, 26% of the population of England and Wales would be more than 65 years old, up from 18% today, increasing the cost of pensions, health and social care."

“All the figures show that people born in or raised in the UK aren’t having many children, if at all. Immigrants are really the ones behind this birth rate.

(I can't post links).

cells

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Around a 1 million migrants and refugees arrived in Europe in 2015.

How many will arrive in 2016 / 2017 / 2018 ?

Do you call that freedom of movement. Or the reason why open borders will ultimately no longer exist.

Before 2100 much of the world will be open borders

By 2200 the whole world might be

Some 500 years later almost everyone on the planet will be able to link themesleges to everyone else via their family trees.

Maybe in a thousand years one of your great grandchildren will read your post and wonder why it was that their great grandad was so against their other great grandad moving in to the same continent