If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

Apart from Clapton......he'll be on here telling me that I am a terrorist sympathiser until well after I've actually croaked it I'm sure! :eek:

No, when you join the tories I will stop mentioning your pass love of killer fellow travellers.

N1AK

CLAPTON wrote: »

hence we refer to the PC brigade that hdo untold harm by refusing to accept the truths and avoid all discussion by screaming racism.

Hence people imagine up a PC brigade who take exception to comparatively reasonable remarks because they don't want to admit to actually be challenged on, or feeling unable to express due to fear of being challenged on, other more controversial views.

We've had a number of posts in this thread from people claiming that simply expressing a concern about demand for public services results in claims of racism; you yourself called in routine; however, thus far no one has provided any evidence to support this assumption, likely because it is false.

tincans6

CLAPTON wrote: »

people who raise concerns about overcrowded schools, NHS facilities and housing etc and routinely described as racist little englanders.

Perhaps that's because the majority of people cry arsing on about it don't actually live in areas where there is over-crowding of NHS facilities or housing.

The loony fringe (well majority) of the Tory party are based in the shires.

Many of UKIP areas of strongest voting percentage (Jarrow, Easington, Sunderland & Hartlepool had UKIP votes between 20% and 28%) are not remotely over crowded in terms of housing or education.
I could add that waiting lists and other problems in the NHS were miles and miles worse under John Majors government well before a surge in immigration.

Often people are racist - it's laughable to suggest otherwise.

zarf2007

tincans6 wrote: »

Perhaps that's because the majority of people cry arsing on about it don't actually live in areas where there is over-crowding of NHS facilities or housing.

The loony fringe (well majority) of the Tory party are based in the shires.

Many of UKIP areas of strongest voting percentage (Jarrow, Easington, Sunderland & Hartlepool had UKIP votes between 20% and 28%) are not remotely over crowded in terms of housing or education.
I could add that waiting lists and other problems in the NHS were miles and miles worse under John Majors government well before a surge in immigration.

Often people are racist - it's laughable to suggest otherwise.

Or maybe idiots like you who are happy in your middle class utopia and are unaffected by the daily impact immigration has on this country can sit there in your ivory tower calling people racists...

I suppose patriotic americans are also all racist?

prosaver

Generali wrote: »

I realise that it's hard to underestimate your hatred of Mr Cameron but you do realise that he's going to quit in a couple of years, right? There isn't a 'long term' for him. Just getting the job done and then quitting some time in late 2018 at a guess.

I think Ms May is the best bet for a successor. Not the most likely outcome but at odds of 25-2 (13.5 in the new money) I think she's a cracking bet.

thanks for the tip:beer: what about Boris?

Moby

Generali wrote: »

I realise that it's hard to underestimate your hatred of Mr Cameron but you do realise that he's going to quit in a couple of years, right? There isn't a 'long term' for him. Just getting the job done and then quitting some time in late 2018 at a guess.

I think Ms May is the best bet for a successor. Not the most likely outcome but at odds of 25-2 (13.5 in the new money) I think she's a cracking bet.

I must admit Cameron was impressive in articulating his position in interview on Sunday. Totally agree about May ...she is more able than any of the other prospects. She doesn't represent a clique within the party and seems to have integrity. In fact accepting the horse I back is out of the running for the next couple of elections probably....I'd go as far as to say I'd hope she would win. At least I could respect her, if not agree with her politically! Imagine soon we could have Hilary Clinton, Theresa May, Merkel sorting Putin out! However if we stay in surely Osborne is a shoe in....if we Brexit......it's BoJo.... because he reaches the parts of the tory grassroots that the others can't reach.

Moby

tincans6 wrote: »

Perhaps that's because the majority of people cry arsing on about it don't actually live in areas where there is over-crowding of NHS facilities or housing.

The loony fringe (well majority) of the Tory party are based in the shires.

Many of UKIP areas of strongest voting percentage (Jarrow, Easington, Sunderland & Hartlepool had UKIP votes between 20% and 28%) are not remotely over crowded in terms of housing or education.
I could add that waiting lists and other problems in the NHS were miles and miles worse under John Majors government well before a surge in immigration.

Often people are racist - it's laughable to suggest otherwise.

Good point....I live in N London.....resources are stretched....it's very crowded on the roads etc... but I don't know anyone who supports UKIP. However I come from Wales and visit family. Different world entirely....UKIP are making real advances there!

Sapphire

N1AK wrote: »

You can beg all you like but you'll have to make considerable improvement before you'll get it. Firstly I wouldn't refer to you with plurals, thank god. Secondly facists isn't a word. Thirdly, I'm confident that I could sum you up succinctly enough that the only thing inducing nausea would be the quality of your writing.

In this case I was referring to your motivation for not wanting Turkey to be a member of the EU; I had hoped even you could piece that together given that you just referred to it.

You need to realise that some people, whose parents have experienced actual extreme fascism (for example courtesy of Germans who murdered citizens, including part of their own family, in the most vile way, then flattened an ancient capital city to the ground after the population had surrendered) find the bandying about of the word 'fascist' at every opportunity just plain stupid and ignorant. The same goes for the word 'racist': people whose ancestors fought off and expelled the Ottomans with great difficulty may be naturally wary of Muslims, knowing how their practices could affect a weak, 'politically correct' West – and they don't want a repeat scenario to engulf Europe. Shame some people don't appreciate the danger they are in, but I suppose it's only natural if they have never suffered invasion themselves and are not aware of European history. :cool:

prosaver

I support Ukip and im honestly not racist, more of a culture ist nothing wrong with that?

Moby

Sapphire wrote: »

You need to realise that some people, whose parents have experienced actual extreme fascism (for example courtesy of Germans who murdered citizens, including part of their own family, in the most vile way, then flattened an ancient capital city to the ground after the population had surrendered) find the bandying about of the word 'fascist' at every opportunity just plain stupid and ignorant. The same goes for the word 'racist': people whose ancestors fought off and expelled the Ottomans with great difficulty may be naturally wary of Muslims, knowing how their practices could affect a weak, 'politically correct' West – and they don't want a repeat scenario to engulf Europe. Shame some people don't appreciate the danger they are in, but I suppose it's only natural if they have never suffered invasion themselves and are not aware of European history. :cool:

Good....'if you know your history'....point Sapphire....that's why the EU is so important! Fragmentation of Europe will see the forces you describe re-emerge. History tells us that!