If we vote for Brexit what happens

Thrugelmir

mayonnaise wrote: »

Never heard of Neil Woodford before, but I heard of Capital Economics and their forecasting record.

More interestingly .

In 2012 it won the Wolfson Economics Prize for the best proposal on how the Eurozone could be safely dismantled.

:eek::eek::eek:

kabayiri

What is intrinsically wrong with linking the child benefit claim to the country in which the child resides?

By doing this, you are still providing support for the child at a rate deemed appropriate by that country.

I'm struggling to see why the alternative current arrangement is fairer, to be honest.

Am I missing something?

gfplux

AlexMac wrote: »

? UK had somewhere over 30,000 refugee applications in 2015... Germany had 476.000...

My remarks were somewhat tongue in cheek as so much of the argument is about how the UK is the number one destination for migrants AND refugees.

In addition the other "powerful" argument centres on the UK benefits system which is not the fault of the EU but of successive UK Governments "forgetting" they are in the EU when enacting benefit regulations.

Whilst the argument against membership has moved on from bendy bananas the out campaigners are focused on immigrants and refugees. Whilst the issue has merit an out vote will NOT solve those problems for the UK.

Whilst I am aware that I am coming accross as strongly in favour of a Stay in vote I just want the vote to happen as soon as possible so that we all can get on with the rest of our lives.
If the vote is to leave, so be it.
However, be careful what you wish for is all I can say.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

In addition the other "powerful" argument centres on the UK benefits system which is not the fault of the EU but of successive UK Governments "forgetting" they are in the EU when enacting benefit regulations.

The UK won't stay in Europe long if all benefits are stopped.

kabayiri

gfplux wrote: »

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In addition the other "powerful" argument centres on the UK benefits system which is not the fault of the EU but of successive UK Governments "forgetting" they are in the EU when enacting benefit regulations.
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There was a survey to support one of those evening "tonight style" programs on tv the other night which indicated that 85% of EU migrants are not swayed by the benefits available here : they come for the work.

...which makes me surprised as to why the countries they come from are digging their heels in so much. Perhaps they are overstating the impact it would really have. Maybe this is more about European power politics?

The program featured workers in a food factory, and they all backed the sentiment in the poll.

CLAPTON

kabayiri wrote: »

There was a survey to support one of those evening "tonight style" programs on tv the other night which indicated that 85% of EU migrants are not swayed by the benefits available here : they come for the work.

...which makes me surprised as to why the countries they come from are digging their heels in so much. Perhaps they are overstating the impact it would really have. Maybe this is more about European power politics?

The program featured workers in a food factory, and they all backed the sentiment in the poll.

presumably people working would indeed have come for the work

kabayiri

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The UK won't stay in Europe long if all benefits are stopped.

Isn't a more powerful argument to campaign for a standardised "Euro Benefit" available for all European migrant workers?

Net migration can be tackled by encouraging more UK workers to go and earn a living in other EU countries, and this would definitely help with costs.

[Deleted User]

Given that things don't exactly appear to be going DCs way at the moment, I thought I'd check out Bet 365 on the result of the referendum.

I have a note that on 11 August last year, the odds were

Stay in - 2/9

Leave - 3/1

The odds now are

Stay in - 4/9

Leave - 17/10.

Wonder what the betting flows will be like if all DC comes back with is a Brussels snow globe and pictures of him shaking hands with other leaders?

(Breaking news.... I see Michael Gove is to campaign to leave the EU)

WR

kabayiri

gfplux wrote: »

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Whilst I am aware that I am coming accross as strongly in favour of a Stay in vote I just want the vote to happen as soon as possible so that we all can get on with the rest of our lives.
If the vote is to leave, so be it.
However, be careful what you wish for is all I can say.

This whole negotiation process does not show either Cameron or the EU politicians in a good light.

It just reaffirms the difficulty in getting the EU to change. The words coming out talk about retaining UK as "an active contributor", but the actions suggest UK is more passive bystander.

CLAPTON

kabayiri wrote: »

Isn't a more powerful argument to campaign for a standardised "Euro Benefit" available for all European migrant workers?

Net migration can be tackled by encouraging more UK workers to go and earn a living in other EU countries, and this would definitely help with costs.

I'm unclear about what encouragement one would give to get people to go to a country where they can't speak the language and where the unemployment rates are higher than in the UK and the wage rates are lower and benefits lower (not all countries of course)