If we vote for Brexit what happens

Moby

'A marathon round of talks over two days, during which the prime minister managed just three hours of sleep in the early hours of yesterday morning, led to an agreement for the UK shortly after 9pm yesterday.'................

Utter nonsense...!The script had already been written, the agreements already made; what we saw was the window dressing to give the illusion of 'St Dave' winning against overwhelming odds....
The EU want us to stay (providing the price is acceptable) and the best way is to give the 'IN' faction in the UK the illusion that the UK has somehow won a victory...
By the way when do Call me Dave's reforms get written into the Lisbon Treaty so they cannot be overturned if we vote to stay? We can't trust Cameron with his track record of lying to us on major issues:


"not enough is being done to tackle tax evasion"
"I'll cut immigration or kick me out"
"I'll publish my tax return"
"No cuts to front line services"
"We have absolutely no plans to raise VAT"
"I wouldn't means-test it" (Child benefit)
"We'll be the greenest government ever"
“local people would not be cut out or ignored” (fracking)
"no more top-down reorganisations" (NHS)
"we don't have any plans to get rid of them" (Education maintenance allowances)
"no plans to change" (Future jobs fund abolished in 2010)
"Its not going to fall." (Cameron on child tax credit)
“The third runway at Heathrow is not going ahead, no ifs, no buts,” Oct 2009.
"there are about 70,000 Syrian opposition fighters on the ground who do not belong to extremist groups.”
"I'm not going to pay the £1.7 billion being demanded by the EU"
"We are creating a new era of transparency"
"New pensions tax will only affect the very wealthy":rotfl:

Mistermeaner

vivatifosi wrote: »

Surprised there's not more morning after the night.

How much morning were you expecting. One is enough for me

mwpt

Moby wrote: »

'A marathon round of talks over two days, during which the prime minister managed just three hours of sleep in the early hours of yesterday morning, led to an agreement for the UK shortly after 9pm yesterday.'................

Utter nonsense...!The script had already been written, the agreements already made; what we saw was the window dressing to give the illusion of 'St Dave' winning against overwhelming odds....

That sounds pretty implausible to me. You're saying that for some reason, all the parties involved (including all on the EU side) knew long ago what the agreements would be, but for some reason wanted to stage these theatrics. Hmmm.

Moby

mwpt wrote: »

That sounds pretty implausible to me. You're saying that for some reason, all the parties involved (including all on the EU side) knew long ago what the agreements would be, but for some reason wanted to stage these theatrics. Hmmm.

Cameron is a mendacious little weasel who has run out of games. Watching this has been excruciatingly embarrassing, as Porky begged for scraps from the EU table. Of course he achieved absolutely nothing, but anybody with a functioning brain knew that would be the case before he began the pantomime - all he did was alienate everybody in Europe. There never was any question of our EU partners eroding the fundamental principles of the union to placate a mealy-mouthed little englander. The referendum should simply have been held on the basis of the status quo, thus avoiding the futile and humiliating process that we have all been subjected to. Nothing has been gained, and people will vote according to deep held principles when the time comes - as was always the case. of course i understand that Porky wanted to strut around spouting cr*p like 'battling for britain' to impress his more moronic admirers, but if you are burdened with a brain you will have been appalled by his mealy-mouthed hectoring. As ever, the tories quibbled endlessly over a few pennies saved or not, and fail completely to see the bigger picture

Tromking

The charade is over thank goodness, let the battle on the real issues begin.

Rinoa

vivatifosi wrote: »

Are people happy with the deal?

I'm surprised they managed to get seven years for migrant benefits.

The seven years is how long the 'emergency brake' will last. Cameron wanted 13 years.

After that benefits to EU migrants will be exactly as before.

Thrugelmir

Rinoa wrote: »

The seven years is how long the 'emergency brake' will last. Cameron wanted 13 years.

After that benefits to EU migrants will be exactly as before.

Still a window of opportunity to further reform the welfare state.

mayonnaise

vivatifosi wrote: »

Are people happy with the deal?

Very happy with the deal, so I will vote remain.

mwpt

Moby wrote: »

Cameron is a mendacious little weasel who has run out of games. Watching this has been excruciatingly embarrassing, as Porky begged for scraps from the EU table. Of course he achieved absolutely nothing, but anybody with a functioning brain knew that would be the case before he began the pantomime - all he did was alienate everybody in Europe. There never was any question of our EU partners eroding the fundamental principles of the union to placate a mealy-mouthed little englander. The referendum should simply have been held on the basis of the status quo, thus avoiding the futile and humiliating process that we have all been subjected to. Nothing has been gained, and people will vote according to deep held principles when the time comes - as was always the case. of course i understand that Porky wanted to strut around spouting cr*p like 'battling for britain' to impress his more moronic admirers, but if you are burdened with a brain you will have been appalled by his mealy-mouthed hectoring. As ever, the tories quibbled endlessly over a few pennies saved or not, and fail completely to see the bigger picture

What? That isn't answering the question at all.

michaels

vivatifosi wrote: »

Surprised there's not more morning after the night before chat going on.

Are people happy with the deal?

I'm surprised they managed to get seven years for migrant benefits.

Lets ask a different question. How many eu leaders do you think have gone home and fessed up that actually they were defeated in the negotiations and had to give up on their principles and accept that red lines had been crossed?

I suspect that 27(?) stunning victories just like Mr Cameron's have been scored.

Outside the eu we can enact exactly the same policies we can inside, if we choose to.....oh and slightly different more liberal more multi-national, less euro-insular ones should we choose that instead.