If we vote for Brexit what happens

Tromking

gfplux wrote: »

Hello Tromking
As a UK Citizen living outside the UK, I have difficulty understanding how the UK has a benefits system unlike any other. Isn't that the fault of the UK Government AND NOT the EU?
It appears to me that the European Union is being blamed for the payment of "in work benefits" that has nothing to do with it.
It's like blaming the Captain of the Titanic for the colour of the deck chairs.

In essence your right. I don`t ever remember a time when a UK politician talking specifically about a new benefit or perhaps an increase or decrease in an old one, has ever gone on and then talked about how it would effect the other 500 million EU citizens who would have the right to access it if they ever moved to the UK. The entire issue would be solved if like other EU countries we introduced for our own UK citizens an element of prior contribution before entitlement to in work benefits. Seems reasonable to me.
The whole thing is just an example of the UK not getting with programme as regards the EU project.

prosaver

CLAPTON wrote: »

there are no jobs that require the state to top them up

if you earn low wages and have got a family you get tax credits, or are you talking about something else?

angrypirate

gfplux wrote: »

What I have never understood is why so many immigrants/refugees pass through wonderful country's with very solid and supporting social welfare programmes such as Germany, Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg and France to risk their life clinging to the bottom of a Lorry to get in to England.
Social support is NOT better in the UK.
Perhaps it's because of ALL OF EUROPE the UK is the only Country without an National Identy Card system??

I thought all of these countries that you mention have a contributory benefits system - ie you cant start claiming until you have paid so much into the system first.

Also, you have to remember that for a lot of people in the World, if English isnt their first language, it is often their second language. If you are coming to Europe from North Africa or the Middle East, you'd much rather go to a country whose language you already speak.

Optimist

I am sure most know of Neil Woodford.

https://woodfordfunds.com/insight/brexit-economic-implications/

AlexMac

gfplux wrote: »

What I have never understood is why so many immigrants/refugees pass through wonderful country's with very solid and supporting social welfare programmes such as Germany, Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg and France to risk their life clinging to the bottom of a Lorry to get in to England...

? UK had somewhere over 30,000 refugee applications in 2015... Germany had 476.000...

antrobus

Optimist wrote: »

I am sure most know of Neil Woodford.

https://woodfordfunds.com/insight/brexit-economic-implications/

As it happens, no. But then I don't keep track of investment managers.

The report from Capital Economics seems fair enough - "the impact of Brexit on the British economy is uncertain" - see, told you so, nobody knows.:)

Generali

Optimist wrote: »

I am sure most know of Neil Woodford.

https://woodfordfunds.com/insight/brexit-economic-implications/

He's a legend. Had tens of billions of assets under management at Invesco until a couple of years ago. He beggured off to start his own thing.

I've never met him (sadly) but by all accounts he's a brilliant man.

wymondham

I think the mash has a fairly true idea of the outcome of todays meetings:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/cameron-secures-leftover-sandwiches-for-uk-20160203105866

prosaver

wymondham wrote: »

I think the mash has a fairly true idea of the outcome of todays meetings:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/cameron-secures-leftover-sandwiches-for-uk-20160203105866

quite funny web site

Anti-EU campaigners secretly hoping Britain stays in so they can keep whining

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/anti-eu-campaigners-secretly-hoping-britain-stays-in-so-they-can-keep-whining-20160219106386

mwpt

Rinoa wrote: »

Most of the money went to repay French and German banks.

It probably doesn't feel much of a bail-out for the Greek people.

Still, it keeps 'the project' intact. That's the important bit.

If I owe a bank money and I lose my job, I still owe the bank the money. My relatives may choose to bail me out by giving me money, but I'd have to pay this money to the bank.

My other choice is to declare bankruptcy and not ever pay the bank back the money.

Both of these options were available to Greece, they chose the former.