If we vote for Brexit what happens

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

Isn't a more powerful argument to campaign for a standardised "Euro Benefit" available for all European migrant workers?

Unaffordable at an EU level. Still a huge imbalance between the economies of member states. More standardisation should have taken place before increasing membership further some years ago.

kabayiri

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Unaffordable at an EU level. Still a huge imbalance between the economies of member states. More standardisation should have taken place before increasing membership further some years ago.

I would agree.

The Child Benefit topic would be a non-issue between the core original European states.

It's the massive economic gap between the original members and the recent entrants.

Oh, since when has "affordability" troubled the EU? Greece & Euro is the very definition of unaffordable.

Sapphire

gfplux wrote: »

If the vote is to leave, so be it.
However, be careful what you wish for is all I can say.

Conversely, I'd say that if the vote is to stay, so be it. However, be careful what you wish for is all I can say. The EU is a dysfunctional entity that is becoming more and more so by the day, and it is as ludicrous to think that all countries (with widely different histories and societies) will be able to agree on key issues that affect their sovereignty, as it is that all countries should adopt the a single currency (no matter that they have widely different economies).

I think that whatever way a vote goes, the EU will fall apart sooner or later for the above reasons, and that the actions (and/or the state of) one country could quite easily drag the whole enterprise down.

An economic 'common market' type of organisation would be a good idea, but political union is madness, in my view. We'll deserve everything we'll get if we stay in the madhouse.:cool:

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

Oh, since when has "affordability" troubled the EU? Greece & Euro is the very definition of unaffordable.

Those living there still hold a very different opinion I suspect. Greece and Cyprus in the main share no love for Germany. History still runs deep. The UK's own experience with Ireland shows that issues never actually go away. Even generations later.

Greece wants open borders to remain. As part of the negotiation process. There's more at stake than the UK at the current summit.

vivatifosi

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Those living there still hold a very different opinion I suspect. Greece and Cyprus in the main share no love for Germany. History still runs deep. The UK's own experience with Ireland shows that issues never actually go away. Even generations later.

Greece wants open borders to remain. As part of the negotiation process. There's more at stake than the UK at the current summit.

The two Simon Reece programmes that are still on iPlayer are very good on this issue. Worth watching.

vivatifosi

Surprised there's not more morning after the night before chat going on.

Are people happy with the deal?

I'm surprised they managed to get seven years for migrant benefits.

Generali

vivatifosi wrote: »

Surprised there's not more morning after the night before chat going on.

Are people happy with the deal?

I'm surprised they managed to get seven years for migrant benefits.

My guess is that people that want out of the EU won't be satisfied and those that want in will. It seems like a pretty good deal to me.

gfplux

Generali wrote: »

AIUI it's not true. The very excellent More or Less did a feature on it and its become a factoid, true by repetition rather than by it being, erm, true.

You are quite correct in pulling me up on that.
The number of French people living in the UK is put at around 300,000 by the French Consulate.
An interesting article here from the BBC. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26823489

However my point was to rebut an off the cuff remark that there are very few French people in the UK. It was sloppy of me to not have the facts to hand.

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

There was a survey to support one of those evening "tonight style" programs on tv the other night which indicated that 85% of EU migrants are not swayed by the benefits available here : they come for the work.

...which makes me surprised as to why the countries they come from are digging their heels in so much. Perhaps they are overstating the impact it would really have. Maybe this is more about European power politics?

The program featured workers in a food factory, and they all backed the sentiment in the poll.

You should also remember that those country's "digging their heels in" is really the politicians playing to their home electorate. They have to be seen as supporting their Citizens.

mwpt

Have to admit, I was wrong. Cameron has achieved more than I expected he'd be able to.